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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by Rock » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:59 pm

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Just had a thought bubble.. :o .... happens a lot at my age.... :lol:

Over on the Caponord 1200 & RSV4 forums they are talking about dash blanking out (particularly on a hot start) and one tech guy added an extra wire from his battery to the starter motor....... this is an old trick and was based on wiring getting hot, thus loosing conductivity...... the Capponord V2 used to struggle to start and once hot you had to try 2-3 times to get it to restart (dash would go blank while trying)..... but it would always fire up and run properly, so the KTM may not have the same issue (ie small dia wiring to the starter motor).

I'm thinking.... and that's always risky :roll:...... it's most likely software out of synch with itself..... saw a post in here somewhere - owner had his software reloaded by the dealership and the bike was fine again.

Sorry i couldn't recall all the details about software getting out of synch with itself (fast starting or incomplete downloads - Matt at KTM covered a lot in quick time and my little brain was spinning out ;) ), but that does seem a more plausible cause of weird issues like dash blanking and engine stalling at odd times..... hope this helps - your local technicians may not have encountered this issue if they don't sell many KTM's - my dealer has been a KTM agent for a long long time so has a good experience base and sells heaps of Kato's).

Raining at last..... whew, temps now pleasant ..... fires up north are under control after destroying over 1 million acres (500,000 hectares) of forest/towns/farms.... now it's cyclone season... ho ho bloody ho..eh :twisted:
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I'm thinking it's software and the loading of the software in certain conditions. But then who knows. None of this was happening when the temperatures were above 50-55.

Matt should become a forum member :D

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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by Aussie Dave » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:26 pm

:lol: :lol:

I was out fiddling with my bike in the garage yesterday...... dreaming again..... :lol: ..... but I lifted the seat and had a look at the fuse box (well.... the rubber fusebox... :lol: ) and to my surprise, the fuses were not nice and level like I was expecting.

I tried to push them in further but there must be a trick to it..... but they felt connected...... then I thought, maybe they squeeze against each other and some pop out or break contact intermittently ...... hmmmmm

Maybe everyone should have a look at their fuse boxes (just behind the -ve battery terminal) in case it is the cause of possible future issues :idea:......... it has little rubber loops holding the lid in place so be gentle and 'unbutton' the straps to gain access..... :lol:

Cheers all

Ps I also tried tidying up the tail section...... it doesn't look waterproof due to the big holes where the pillion grab handle mounts...... so I unbolted that huge SAS box and found plugin connectors (for the heated seat & ??) just sitting there waiting to get wet in heavy rain/washing the bike. I taped them over and also taped the tail light connectors which I thought looked badly bent/exposed ...... probably nothing essential, but i had time to waste so that made me feel useful... :lol:
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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by Aussie Dave » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:51 pm

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We have a similar bike shop (KTM) in Hamilton, its 200kms away, but theres nice corners inbetweem, we also have a recently acquired KTM dealer in my home town, i stupidly took mine there for the recall on the brake leaver (3 months ago) still haven't heard a thing, should have gone to hamilton.

Dave, I know you're busy with recent family issue.... but I was thinking the local 'new' KTM agent might not have a proper warranty agreement with the importer/KTM factory..... if so, you might be better off collecting the bike and going back to the bigger agent.

My Brembo parts were ordered first by my dealership.... so they are waiting for me to show up. I remember one US guy waiting for his Caponord 1200 Brembo repair for over 3 months (the recall was only a 10-15 min job...... unless, maybe your master cylinder has failed and needs total replacement :?: ).

My brake fluid has gone black from inactivity, and I was surprised how spongy/soft both F & R levers felt.... hope mine come good with a fluid change.....
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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by DaveNZ » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:58 am

^^^ I think you could be right Dave, i think i will contact the Bike shop where i purchased the 1290 and get them to request the parts.
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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by Aussie Dave » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:55 am

Had another look at the 'fuse box' and there are different height fuses in the centre positions with shorter ones to the outside positions....... so unless they are loose, the step up in the centre is not an issue.

My GT fired up nice (as always)...... now if I can just get my body to work as well as the bike.. :lol:

I've been annoying the accessory people with questions about stuff like an 'Ergo Seat' for Xmas..... :roll:

I should let Rock pass on the news.... but he's probably having too much fun getting to know his new Ninja1000 (got a deal he couldn't refuse after losing confidence in the complexity of Euro bikes and the lack of great dealer support in the USA).

Keep the shiny side up eh 8-)
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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by Rock » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:51 pm

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Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:55 am
Had another look at the 'fuse box' and there are different height fuses in the centre positions with shorter ones to the outside positions....... so unless they are loose, the step up in the centre is not an issue.

My GT fired up nice (as always)...... now if I can just get my body to work as well as the bike.. :lol:

I've been annoying the accessory people with questions about stuff like an 'Ergo Seat' for Xmas..... :roll:

I should let Rock pass on the news.... but he's probably having too much fun getting to know his new Ninja1000 (got a deal he couldn't refuse after losing confidence in the complexity of Euro bikes and the lack of great dealer support in the USA).

Keep the shiny side up eh 8-)
well it was a 150 mile round trip in 34 degree temps with 40mph wind gusts, and a snow squall on the way home, so it was a really nice ride, but I got her :D
I'm still recovering from the severe hypothermia but it is is warming up to a tepid 36 today so I think I'll take her for another spin. Not for 75 miles this time.. The way down the heated grips saved me, the way back up I had to buy heavy winter gloves or my fingers would have broken off without the heated grips.

I miss the GT, it was a very comfortable bike, but I can't deal with our dealer situation around here. It's unfortunate. I'm also a sucker for an I-4 so I don't think I would have ever gelled with the Twin unless I had a second bike to switch off with.

And yes the bike barely started up yesterday and stalled with another blank out. I kept the spare key in my pocket because if I needed gas I was too afraid to shut the bike off to open the tank lock. The Ninja started right up. The KTM really does not like the cold. Not something that a person in the north east can deal with unless you have a well heated garage.

Time to send the seat to a customizer and order after market pegs. It should be almost as comfortable as the GT after that. No more euro bikes for me (well, except for BMWs).

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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by jjscsix » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:39 pm

Rock wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:51 pm
Aussie Dave wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:55 am
Had another look at the 'fuse box' and there are different height fuses in the centre positions with shorter ones to the outside positions....... so unless they are loose, the step up in the centre is not an issue.

My GT fired up nice (as always)...... now if I can just get my body to work as well as the bike.. :lol:

I've been annoying the accessory people with questions about stuff like an 'Ergo Seat' for Xmas..... :roll:

I should let Rock pass on the news.... but he's probably having too much fun getting to know his new Ninja1000 (got a deal he couldn't refuse after losing confidence in the complexity of Euro bikes and the lack of great dealer support in the USA).

Keep the shiny side up eh 8-)
well it was a 150 mile round trip in 34 degree temps with 40mph wind gusts, and a snow squall on the way home, so it was a really nice ride, but I got her :D
I'm still recovering from the severe hypothermia but it is is warming up to a tepid 36 today so I think I'll take her for another spin. Not for 75 miles this time.. The way down the heated grips saved me, the way back up I had to buy heavy winter gloves or my fingers would have broken off without the heated grips.

I miss the GT, it was a very comfortable bike, but I can't deal with our dealer situation around here. It's unfortunate. I'm also a sucker for an I-4 so I don't think I would have ever gelled with the Twin unless I had a second bike to switch off with.

And yes the bike barely started up yesterday and stalled with another blank out. I kept the spare key in my pocket because if I needed gas I was too afraid to shut the bike off to open the tank lock. The Ninja started right up. The KTM really does not like the cold. Not something that a person in the north east can deal with unless you have a well heated garage.

Time to send the seat to a customizer and order after market pegs. It should be almost as comfortable as the GT after that. No more euro bikes for me (well, except for BMWs).
The guy I ride with and I both had Ninja 1000s. We both loved that bike. If it came with factory cruise control we would still have one. But at the price you can get them for it is a fantastic bike. And bulletproof. I cannot say enough good things about them.
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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by Rock » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:26 am

The issue I had with my last NInja was comfort but Rizoma makes a great adjustable rear-set peg kit for it now. I also have contacted a shop that customizes the stock seat to make it livable. That will take care of the comfort for the most part. It won't be as roomy as the GT but will be good enough. Ivan doesn't make a flash for the 17's and beyond but there's still performance mods to get a decent power boost.

For the price you just can't do any better than the Ninja. If you drop a couple grand into it it becomes a great bike. I was never willing to do that before because to resale value, but I realize now it's the best move.
btw, I had cruise control on 4 or 5 bikes and never used it. I don't know what it is I just don't ever have the desire to use it. But then I don't do many multi hundred mile days.

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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by jjscsix » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:35 am

I had full Akra system and Power Commander on mine. I dyno'd at 123 stock and 140 after. I also had a Sargent seat that I literary had waiting at home when I took delivery of the bike. You are correct that I didn't get any of the money back out of the mods, but I never expected to either.

As to the cruise, a normal Saturday for me is 350 miles, and it's 50 miles to my first curve!
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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by Rock » Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:47 am

It's amazing how much more power you can get out of that 1045 I-4. I don't know if I will go full akra as I have to be somewhat judicious with the modding costs, but I will do some power mod. I think my most major mod with be the rear shock.
There's something about the Ninja that keeps me coming back. Of course the price and reliability (as well as strong dealer support) doens't hurt, but there's something beyond that.

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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by jjscsix » Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:00 pm

Be sure the battery is fully charged. That caused me several error messages. I finally replaced the battery a few weeks and and so far several problems I was having seemed to have cleared up. My bike is just over a year old, but the bike was a year old leftover. I suspect that’s the reason I had a short battery life.
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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by Aussie Dave » Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:01 pm

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I purchased my vehicle a week ago. I have only driven it a few times. A check engine light as well as a message "EV SYSTEM SERVICE REQUIRED STOP SAFELY". I was able to restart the vehicle and drove straight to the dealership but it was closed. Has anyone else experienced this? I am freaking out hoping that I have not received a lemon

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G'day Sharonmal from Australia.

I have never seen or read about that message - if your bike runs normally, i recommend getting it to your local KTM agent asap so they can diagnose the issue.

There are no lemons (but a fault can happen to any brand)..... if your bike was a used vehicle, you may have to find out if there were any strange mods done to it...... if it is a new SDGT, then there might be a software reset required.

I've only ever had my dash go blank once and that was caused by a faulty accessory dongle that failed. Once it was identified as the cause, and replaced, I have had no issues with my 17SDGT.

Best wishes...... take confidence..... the dealer has some very powerful diagnostic equipment ;) .

PS I see you have an Adventure.... is it the SAS or SAR or an early model SA? There might be more discussion in the Adventure section...... if not, try the 'KTM Forum' or even 'Adventure Riders Forum'. This forum seems to have not recovered from a 4 week outage back in January and is very quiet (except for me and JJ and a couple of others :lol: ).
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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by Aussie Dave » Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:18 pm

Me again...... I'm wondering what the EV service warning could be ...... KTM has a recall out for 'Brembo' brakes but that is a simple brake piston replace precaution....... all the new bikes of all brands will give error messages when something is not correct.... but if it is running normally and not making horrible noises, has correct oil level, coolant etc..... then it should be safe to get to a dealer agent unless your brakes have failed.

EV system service....... ???? what could that be....... is it abbreviated from your local language (I can't guess as I'm only English speaking)......?

PS Is that warning listed in your owners manual?...... might give you an idea about how serious it might be.

PPS When my engine check lamp came on, my GT was running fine and all fluids were correct so I kept riding home. I rode it to the dealer and the fault was diagnosed in minutes...... main thing is to be aware of any strange noises or spongy brake feel, or anything not working normally.... to be sure it is safe to ride or to decide if it needs to be collected by the dealer....... try phoning and asking them for advice. ;)

(I had 'Suspension Failure' and 'C-Light error' and the check engine symbol on mine when it was only a burned out accessory dongle I installed when removing my Charcoal Canister and purge valve..... to easy, but worrying at the time..... simple fix was to re-install the purge valve to act as the resistor and everything is perfect. The battery isn't an issue unless it is very old and about to expire or a very cold winter has affected it. Many issues might be from loose battery cables or fuse connections..... which the dealer is supposed to check at pre-delivery. I'm sure you'll find it an amusing event once the cause is diagnosed :)).
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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by Rock » Thu May 02, 2019 5:08 am

I certainly don't miss this nonsense. Trade her in on a Ninja Dave :D

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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by Aussie Dave » Fri May 03, 2019 7:36 am

Rock wrote:
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I certainly don't miss this nonsense. Trade her in on a Ninja Dave :D
Cheers Rock,

No problems with my GT....... I was responding to a post from "Sharonmal" but i suspect it was a Fisching trap as I have had issues with 'Captcha' and Xevil4.0 whatever the fk that is........

I should have known it was BS...... reported the posts as they were taking over all of the forum with adverts or whatever.......

Anyway, my SDGT is running perfect ;) ....... just need to get myself running as good :lol: .

The big issue is that I don't think I want anything in the future...... it's getting hotter and weirder each year and I like driving my 17 Tucson more and more (airconditioning) and I don't have to suit up with all the gear to go anywhere ....... must be getting lazy eh?........ I'll feel better after tomorrow's Ducati club ride :lol:
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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by Rock » Sun May 05, 2019 3:23 pm

Aussie Dave wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 7:36 am
Rock wrote:
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I certainly don't miss this nonsense. Trade her in on a Ninja Dave :D
Cheers Rock,

No problems with my GT....... I was responding to a post from "Sharonmal" but i suspect it was a Fisching trap as I have had issues with 'Captcha' and Xevil4.0 whatever the fk that is........

I should have known it was BS...... reported the posts as they were taking over all of the forum with adverts or whatever.......

Anyway, my SDGT is running perfect ;) ....... just need to get myself running as good :lol: .

The big issue is that I don't think I want anything in the future...... it's getting hotter and weirder each year and I like driving my 17 Tucson more and more (airconditioning) and I don't have to suit up with all the gear to go anywhere ....... must be getting lazy eh?........ I'll feel better after tomorrow's Ducati club ride :lol:
Yeah that was phising Dave. You got snookered :D
I'm getting a little wierd about it too. I've had my bike back for about a week now and only hit the highway once to bring her back. The rest have been all local. I'm not keen on commuting anymore becuase there are constant mishaps in rush hour on these highways and I can't risk (not that you could ever) even a mild rear-ending now in bumper to bumper stop and go traffic. I'm not the type that goes on frequent long tours so if I'm not commuting with regularity then I've been thinking of going down to a smaller, less expesnive to insure, bike for local roads.

Summers are also getting to hot to ride around here in gear as well and my appetite for riding without gear has lessened recently. Long and short of it is I may only be riding around 50-60 miles a week on local roads so anything with power and wieght will go to waste. I'm thinking something like that new Yamaha 700 tenere may be the way to go.

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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by DaveNZ » Mon May 06, 2019 8:08 am

Rock wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 3:23 pm
Aussie Dave wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 7:36 am
Rock wrote:
Thu May 02, 2019 5:08 am
I certainly don't miss this nonsense. Trade her in on a Ninja Dave :D
Cheers Rock,

No problems with my GT....... I was responding to a post from "Sharonmal" but i suspect it was a Fisching trap as I have had issues with 'Captcha' and Xevil4.0 whatever the fk that is........

I should have known it was BS...... reported the posts as they were taking over all of the forum with adverts or whatever.......

Anyway, my SDGT is running perfect ;) ....... just need to get myself running as good :lol: .

The big issue is that I don't think I want anything in the future...... it's getting hotter and weirder each year and I like driving my 17 Tucson more and more (airconditioning) and I don't have to suit up with all the gear to go anywhere ....... must be getting lazy eh?........ I'll feel better after tomorrow's Ducati club ride :lol:
Yeah that was phising Dave. You got snookered :D
I'm getting a little wierd about it too. I've had my bike back for about a week now and only hit the highway once to bring her back. The rest have been all local. I'm not keen on commuting anymore becuase there are constant mishaps in rush hour on these highways and I can't risk (not that you could ever) even a mild rear-ending now in bumper to bumper stop and go traffic. I'm not the type that goes on frequent long tours so if I'm not commuting with regularity then I've been thinking of going down to a smaller, less expesnive to insure, bike for local roads.

Summers are also getting to hot to ride around here in gear as well and my appetite for riding without gear has lessened recently. Long and short of it is I may only be riding around 50-60 miles a week on local roads so anything with power and wieght will go to waste. I'm thinking something like that new Yamaha 700 tenere may be the way to go.


Try a 790, i love mine, i much prefer to ride it over the GT, its just a bloody fun bike to ride, light nimble, nippy, quite torquey, all you need really.
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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by Rock » Mon May 06, 2019 1:37 pm

How are the ergos on that Dave? Is it too small for a 34"inseam? I am starting to lean to that size bike.

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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by DaveNZ » Tue May 07, 2019 7:52 am

Im 6ft, and fit the bike easily, good leg room, and a nice slight lean to the wide bars, suspension is very good, soft initial travel, but firm enough for sports riding. I absolutely love my 790, out of the 18-20 odd bikes I've had, this one is probably my most fun bike. just enough power at 105, but its so light and easy to manoeuvre and thats what i love, I'm nearing my 60th birthday, and a lighter bike is certainly wellcome. Test ride one Rock, the first time you tip it into a corner you will be hooked, its a great bike.
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Re: Dash blanked out after stall and restart

Post by Rock » Wed May 08, 2019 1:00 pm

It looks just about right. I assume it doesn't ahve all these teething problems the 1290's have.

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