Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

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Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

Post by STU » Sun May 06, 2018 5:30 pm

Hi I’m thinking of changing my 2010 Smt for a 1090 Adventure, I like a bit of 2up touring but also having fun on the twisty bits around Dartmoor. The smt will tour I’ve done a 2up trip to Bruges and a solo to Austria but you know you’ve done the miles.
Also at 8 years old I think the price will fall quite a bit soon, luckily they are awesome and still in demand.
So would it be an mistake or is it time to move on?
What are your thoughts on it.

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Re: Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

Post by Magic Wand » Sun May 06, 2018 8:24 pm

Hi 'STU'

I would go 2 steps up; try the 1190 Adv.

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Re: Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

Post by STU » Sun May 06, 2018 8:41 pm

Have they stopped making them as they are not listed on the KTM site.

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Re: Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

Post by eagle_awd » Mon May 07, 2018 12:42 pm

Two steps up would be 1290 ;) :D If going Adventure direction and not DukeGT, I would recommend 1290S. It's more road oriented and they're really, really nicely equipped. Huge LCD for dash.

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Re: Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

Post by STU » Tue May 08, 2018 12:24 pm

The 1290 is a nice piece of kit but it’s a little out of my price range and I don’t know if it will be as fun in the twisty bits because if the extra weight.

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Re: Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

Post by Nordic09 » Wed May 09, 2018 10:43 pm

Take the 1090 r model. Without r the suspension is very far from smt quality level other than in smooth roads. Bike is also much longer and not so nimble
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Re: Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

Post by STU » Thu May 10, 2018 9:11 am

I’ve been tempted by the dark side for the same money I can get a Yamaha tracer gt with full colour tft dash cruse control quick shifter and panniers.

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Re: Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

Post by Nordic09 » Fri May 11, 2018 8:40 pm

But without torque. Tested mt09 and after smt it is quite breathless low down. Also, in Finnish technic magazine they did endurance test for mt09, and after 30-40 k kms, the motor was opened, and valves etc were shot. Yamaha never sent official reply even, when they sent the full motor to factory. Also rear shock had broken during the test (due to internal damper tolerances). Anyway, it seemed, that mt09 is not the same quality as big touring versions, ot more expensive Yamaha’s.

I would consider new Smaller Ducati Multistrada, which was very nice and nimble, and still some torque low down.
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Re: Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

Post by Gimlet » Sat May 12, 2018 10:51 am

In your situation, yes. I had an SMT. Loved it dearly but it wasn't really my idea of touring bike. I bought it as a budget touring/adventure bike but really its a big supermoto with a better seat and slightly better tank range. Mine was fully uncorked as well, pipes, airbox, remap etc etc. As a back road thrasher it was sublime but it lacked the roominess and comfort for touring, the engine felt busy and adjusting the suspension for extra load was a pain. And I was only touring solo. Sold it with a heavy heart and bought an 1190, but it was the best thing I could have done. It's perfect for touring and back road blasting. Its got much more shove and the electrically adjustable suspension is a boon. I have nothing but good memories of the SMT (and I may buy a 990 SMR as a toy one day, if there's any left) but as an all-rounder the 1190 wins and its of the best bikes I've ever owned.

If it wasn't for the touring bit I'd say keep the SMT. Once set up properly they are a really sharp and focused bike. More so than an 1190 or 1090, even though they have less power and grunt. But if you want to cover distance fully loaded the bigger bikes are streets ahead and either will still be a highly effect road tool when the luggage comes off. If you regularly ride off-road then the 1090 would be the one to go for. Its a fine road bike too and its simpler than the latest big adventures which are overloaded wit fancy electronics. It will feel familiar after the SMT but with more grunt. But don't rule out the 1190 as well. For thrashing around on tarmac a good used one is a bargain. Its more muscular than the 1090 and a lot more than the SMT and it has handling that will hustle many a sports bike.

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Re: Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

Post by STU » Sun May 13, 2018 5:45 pm

Thanks for all of your advice it gives me a lot to think about.

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Re: Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

Post by limeyduffa » Tue May 22, 2018 1:22 pm

I think KTM has lost the plot with dropping the 1000cc class. KTM's direction has lost me as a customer plus KTM Australia as an expensive/unreliable supply chain has ruined my customer experience. I will never get a bike > 1000cc. After owning two KTM V-twins, this will be by last. The good news is, I'll be keeping my SMT as long as I can maintain it (hopefully the new importation laws coming into effect in Australia on 01 July don't disrupt the easily availability of parts from England). The "T" bit on the end of the model name is misleading in my opinion and has given false expectations. End of the day, it's just an SM with some much needed fairing and luggage fittings. "SMF" would have been more accurate.

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Re: Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

Post by STU » Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:15 pm

Decided to keep her for a bit, just come back from a 2up trip around Southern Ireland and the only problem was when I did the gap of Dunloe and got the bike covered in horse shit, then after 5mins on the main road the shit dried and then started smouldering so had to pull over with white smoke coming from under the engine.
No harm done just cleaned it off from around the exhaust.

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Re: Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

Post by Nordic09 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:22 pm

Funny thing happened, test rode Multi S 2 months ago, and the seller called suddenly and dropped price so low that had to buy instantly. Now with 2 bikes and one have to go on spring. Multi has electrical öhlins, and better modulation brakes and more torque and hp, at the same time ride position is not so supermoto and trick happy. Surprising, that SMT is very good also against that bike, and can’t decide which bike to keep. For long tours multi for sure, but not doing those.. Öhlins is clearly more sofistigated than WP, but WP is not lacking anything still. Multi looks nicer, but then controlled wheelies and stoppies are also fun.
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Re: Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

Post by limeyduffa » Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:28 am

Now begins all the tricking it up ! hehe :D

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Re: Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

Post by Nordic09 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:01 pm

Yeah, had a good ride on wknd, and Ducati is similar type, but very torquyi and easily revving engine, heated grips, electrical öhlins, adjustable traction control and slipper clutch, wider bars, adjustable and good screen, better Brembo’s.. At city SMT is more flickable, but since Duc was eventually super cheap and almost the same price, KTM has to go on spring, did not see this coming. Other than V4’s which I have tested, the 150 hp Ducati V2 is amazing.
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Post by jhalfhide » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:32 pm

Loved my Faultistrada... only issue was the reliability. I had an early one and things did improve down the line. What year is yours as the issues reside in the pre twin spark models.

Back on a KTM 990 SMT now and as you say, more nimble and fun but not as versatile because the smaller tank and less room for touring.

Difference is, I know the KTM will always get me there and I can strip it to the chassis with the tools under my seat.

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Re: Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

Post by Nordic09 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:26 pm

Thanks for the feedback, and since I can still decide: which faults did you have in Multi? Mine 2011.

Duc reliability as Italian quality is also my main concern, since KTM is so analog, and after lot’s of easy repairs of wearing parts at first, it has been reliable, and can now fix those small things easily myself.

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Re: Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

Post by jhalfhide » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:17 pm

My first fault was a snapped cam in the engine. This was repaired by the supplying dealer under warranty as it only happened a month after buying it. That wasn’t a usual one though and I’m the only instance I am aware of.

Between then, I had the usual pre twin spark issues. There was a VERY important cylinder head recall. The walls of the cylinder head were built thin and the coolant ate through causing white exhaust smoke on startup and smoking cylinder heads. Some dealers replaced coolant and heads, some replaced only coolant. I wouldn’t touch a bike that didn’t have the heads done.

The radiator cores had a habit of collapsing on early models. They were warranty replaced too.

The clocks had water ingress issues (similar to the 990 in that). Some had a constantly faint glowing neutral and others went further and had missing digits.

Here was my biggie... main bearings. 13 months into ownership, it went wrong in a big way. Warranty was declined so I went the legal route and got independent assessments done. My crank had completely snapped in two and I ended up getting paid out. Main bearings were completely shot and my assessor went as far as to mention in his report that main bearing failures on this model were a reasonably common occurrence towards higher mileage. Dealers were refusing to take the early bikes in as trade-in because they did not want the expense of replacing main bearings.

I got a lot of stick on the Ducati forum for pointing this out. Whilst my investigation was ongoing, I had calls from two other forum members having bearing issues.

The later twin-spark has a redesigned main bearing which is also quite telling.

Wasn’t happy with the dealer either so liked the idea of going back (previously had a 990 SMR) to the LC8 engine and having something I can strip and sort myself. This engine just keeps plugging along and will always get me where I need to get to, even if it likes a drop of oil.


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Re: Would you change an SMT for a 1090 Adventure

Post by limeyduffa » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:11 pm

Yeah, excellent point. I'm keeping mine while I can get cheap parts. I just hate it when is breaks down before winter (my flavourite riding time). Might have to consider getting two bikes :D

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