Catastrophic front brake failure

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Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by matejs » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:57 pm

Yesterday I've almost hit a stopped bus because the front brakes failed, completely.
When I came home, I checked the brakes an I found that some of the 8 brake pads were delaminated and others are on the same way:
- 1 brake pad had only the back metal
- 2 brake pads were delaminated and the braking material were miss-aligned in the caliper
- the rest of brake pads (5) are showing the signs that they would delaminate in a short, there are cracks (almost) all around the edges

The bike is an 08/2010 with 30.000 km.
When I changed the front wheel, before 4-5.000 km, the pads were ok.

If only one brake pad would fail I could understand that, and I would say sh*t happens... but that, all off them are failing... I don't know what to think... :evil:

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Re: Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by pinifarina » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:17 pm

To me, thats a first!
Just bought a SMT a month ago, but already found out front brakes are a pain....
And not just on SMT. Search on Ducati forums about bikes equiped with same Brembo brake system and you will see what im talking about.

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Re: Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by kevxtx » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:53 pm

Glad you are safe mate, this exact same thing has been reported on the Super Duke forum by a UK rider before, this type of poor manufacture should not happen these days.

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Re: Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by Mikeylikesit » Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:09 pm

that's just crazy. I ordered some vesrah pads ladt week. they will go in on arrival. perhaps brembo had a bad production batch in 2010? there was another rider on this forum with the same problem.

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Re: Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by budgesrsv » Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:05 pm

That's got me worried :? Had mine checked over by the dealer during service as the front brakes were binding after getting wet ! they said they had stripped them and cleaned them out as they were full of "crud" (on a 2000 mile 1 year old bike !) oh and they charged me for this as it wasn't a warranty claim :twisted: It is now doing exactly the same after a further 1000 miles ! Are there any permanent fixes for this or is it something you have to live with if you dare to use them in the rain :?: I do give it a rinse with clean water after a ride to get rid of salt, then blow out the excess water with an air gun afterwards, but short of stripping them every few hundred miles I don't know what the answer is.

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Re: Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by Bug » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:30 pm

Concerned as I have a 2010 bike. These Brembo pads ain't cheap either. Another annoying thing to sort. :(
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Re: Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by matejs » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:01 pm

I got the answer from the KTM, your bike is out of warranty and the brake pads are consumable parts (period). :roll:

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Re: Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by budgesrsv » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:23 pm

After owning numerous jap bikes and an Aprilia Mille I am very disappointed with the build quality of my Smt. I would have thought that a machine built in Northern Europe would be capable of withstanding a bit of rain :!: On a machine that is just over 1 year old with 3000 miles on the clock you shouldn't have seizing brakes, rusting fasteners, rusting brake discs, chain and sprockets that are covered in rust despite being cleaned and lube regularly, exhaust pipes that look like they are rotting away, clocks with condensation inside and going totally blank on two occasions :twisted: Oh and then there are the fueling issues that need sorting to make the bike rideable below 40 mph. Perhaps I should have wondered why the original owner had got rid after only 9 months ! Apart from all this I love the looks and the ride so I suppose I will just have to live with this "character" until Mr Honda builds one :lol:

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Re: Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by pinifarina » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:57 pm

budgesrsv wrote:After owning numerous jap bikes and an Aprilia Mille I am very disappointed with the build quality of my Smt. I would have thought that a machine built in Northern Europe would be capable of withstanding a bit of rain :!: On a machine that is just over 1 year old with 3000 miles on the clock you shouldn't have seizing brakes, rusting fasteners, rusting brake discs, chain and sprockets that are covered in rust despite being cleaned and lube regularly, exhaust pipes that look like they are rotting away, clocks with condensation inside and going totally blank on two occasions :twisted: Oh and then there are the fueling issues that need sorting to make the bike rideable below 40 mph. Perhaps I should have wondered why the original owner had got rid after only 9 months ! Apart from all this I love the looks and the ride so I suppose I will just have to live with this "character" until Mr Honda builds one :lol:

Dont think it is related with build quality.
Mine has 20k kms and with exception of front brakes, zero considerable problems.

About brakes, both KTM and Brembo are two brands with excelent reputation concerning quality materials.
Not an expert, but maybe this set of pads isn't the best choice to the most general use of this bike.

Anyway, for me is a minor pain and the bike is simply awesome!

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Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by Duckman » Wed May 01, 2013 12:36 am

In the Ducati world I have heard of this problem only once. Same Brembo brakes. Out of the 10's of thousands of units out there I think the percentage of failures to be very small. In this Internet based world we hear about it though. I also think it worth noting that the pads that come in the Ducati Brembo's are sourced from Toshiba. :)
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Re: Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by Ktkeith » Wed May 01, 2013 6:10 pm

I've got about 2,500 miles on my 12 most of them in the rain, I always wash her down or hose her off when I get home and have none of the above problems. Only a couple of stone chips on the clutch cover but then they did surface dress every road in the area with granite chippings last year, I now have the carbon cover protectors.

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Re: Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by baldymac » Wed May 01, 2013 9:57 pm

Went out on my 2011 SMT yesterday,bike didn't feel quite "right" noticed on a hill stop it didn't roll back,pulled over and R.H front disc quite hot compared to L.H side one,and slight discolouring on outer edge. Took bike home nice and steady,only a few miles,stripped both callipers off,found three of the four brake pads on R.H disc had completely separated the backing plate from the friction material-pistons in perfect condition and free. This bike has done 5860 miles,had new discs and pads under warranty 11 mths ago,picked up at first service by the mechanic. It is cleaned and looked after meticulously. Phoned KTM dealer,they said they had no knowledge of any problems and quoted me £39 a set for new pads. I cannot bring myself to refit Brembo pads,so have sourced some EBC,in a few weeks I would have been hammering around TT circuit,could have been nasty had it occurred over there-quite worrying considering Brembo are supposed to be class leaders in brakes

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Re: Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by budgesrsv » Wed May 01, 2013 10:42 pm

I am off to TT races myself in 3 weeks so I think I will pull the pads out and check them just for peace of mind. Is there anything that can be done to prevent problems from occurring ?

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Re: Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by ogden » Thu May 02, 2013 12:32 am

budgesrsv wrote:Is there anything that can be done to prevent problems from occurring ?
Three options:

1. Drink more, worry less
2. Change the pads. Bendix MF are good, CL SBK3 are also OK for road use.
3. Stop riding.

Bear in mind that nobody reporting problems has yet died in a fireball, so you're probably OK.
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Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by Duckman » Thu May 02, 2013 12:44 am

I like option #1. :)
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Re: Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by budgesrsv » Thu May 02, 2013 8:38 am

Tried options 1 and 3 so will go for option 2 now. Thanks for the advice :-)

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Re: Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by zimm17 » Thu May 02, 2013 6:08 pm

Thanks for this thread. I was looking for an excuse to ditch my squeeling pads. I'm going to run EBC extreme's, had good luck with them on my KTM 690SMC.
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Re: Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by Mikeylikesit » Thu May 02, 2013 6:56 pm

im smelling a good case for a recall......

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Re: Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by Mikeylikesit » Thu May 02, 2013 7:00 pm

baldymac wrote:This bike has done 5860 miles,had new discs and pads under warranty 11 mths ago,picked up at first service by the mechanic.
So this is the second set of pads that have gone bad on you?

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Re: Catastrophic front brake failure

Post by pinifarina » Thu May 02, 2013 7:38 pm

baldymac wrote:had new discs and pads under warranty 11 mths ago
What happened with the first set, or what did you argued to get KTM accept cover the cost?
My SMT is under warranty 5 more months, so maybe i should try it to ;)

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