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Flat Tire

Post by jfink » Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:35 pm

As of yesterday, I am the proud owner of a new flat tire. Any tricks I should know about in changing it? I got me a 60MM and a Pit Bull.
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by DaveNZ » Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:20 pm

You will need a fuking big bar to leaver that nut off, or i use an impact wrench to wind it of. (thats what i do) Now when re fitting the wheel, you will need a torque wrench that goes up to 220N, (mine only goes to 200N, so i give it a bit more) theres a knack to tightning the nut by yourself. bike on side stand, put in 2nd gear, now from the left side, lay over your bike passenger seat with all your weight on the rear compressing the suspension a little, right hand on the foot brake, and heave with the left hand till the click of the torque wrench. (I'm a tuff bastard :D ) you could also get your wife to sit on bike with foot on foot brake.
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by jfink » Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:55 pm

DaveNZ wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:20 pm
You will need a fuking big bar to leaver that nut off, or i use an impact wrench to wind it of. (thats what i do) Now when re fitting the wheel, you will need a torque wrench that goes up to 220N, (mine only goes to 200N, so i give it a bit more) theres a knack to tightning the nut by yourself. bike on side stand, put in 2nd gear, now from the left side, lay over your bike passenger seat with all your weight on the rear compressing the suspension a little, right hand on the foot brake, and heave with the left hand till the click of the torque wrench. (I'm a tuff bastard :D ) you could also get your wife to sit on bike with foot on foot brake.
Yep, that's what I kinda figured ... there are always some tricks. Thanks Dave. I got me an impact wrench, and just like you, I have a 200nm torque wrench. I work on motorcycles, why the hell would I need more than that, right? But, my book says 250nm though? I was hoping to get someone to sit on the bike with the foot brake on; but after breaking my wife's foot (isn't that ironic) on a zero mph tipover, she will likely not be so gullible anymore.
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by jjscsix » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:20 pm

Joe, certainly you have figured out out to change it and got a new tire today so you can ride it tomorrow! BTW, my wife says I should ride the 1600 tomorrow. I still want to ride the Ducati. My decision is usually not this hard. :cry:
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by DaveNZ » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:08 pm

Im on my 4th set of tires, I've perfected the act of doing it alone. :D
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by jjscsix » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:21 pm

I've learned to do it on my Ducati alone. I sit on the seat with my foot on the brake to torque it down. But I do admit that if my wife is home I enlist her help. She looks really good doing it too!

Taking it off is simple by using my air impact driver.
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by jfink » Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:54 pm

jjscsix wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:20 pm
Joe, certainly you have figured out out to change it and got a new tire today so you can ride it tomorrow! BTW, my wife says I should ride the 1600 tomorrow. I still want to ride the Ducati. My decision is usually not this hard. :cry:
You should ride what you want. It has been raining all day up here, hopefully it will be dry by tomorrow. Won't have the SD ready though, so I will be on the 1600.
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Im on my 4th set of tires, I've perfected the act of doing it alone. :D
How many kilometers / miles do you get out of a set and do you change both the front and the back at the same time?
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I've learned to do it on my Ducati alone. I sit on the seat with my foot on the brake to torque it down. But I do admit that if my wife is home I enlist her help. She looks really good doing it too!

Taking it off is simple by using my air impact driver.
Well, I went and bought me a cheapy 300 ft/lb Torque wrench. What else are you supposed to do on a rainy day? I may dig out my impact driver or just brute strength it off, it depends on how I feel. Now, I'm waiting for the tire, to be delivered on Wednesday, perhaps. I went with a Michelin Road 5.
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by DaveNZ » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:56 am

jfink, i always change tires as a pair, the Angels that came with the bike i got 5800Kms, i then fitted a set of M7RRs, which i only got 3500Kms, (fuk expensive riding) so then i fitted a set of Roadtec O1s, which I've gotten 6200Kms, I've just replaced them for an up coming tour of NZs south island (leaving weeks time for 2 weeks riding :D ) the Roadtecs weren't worn out, looked about 2000 more Kms in the rear, so thats why i went for another set. Great tires, i love the feel of the front, but the rear is a little on the flat arc shape causing a slowing of the steering compared to the M7RRs, but not too noticable.
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by jfink » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:50 am

Is it necessary to take off the muffler, to remove the tire and wheel, as the manual suggests?
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by DaveNZ » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:19 am

Yes, got to remove the muffler, no way around it.
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by jfink » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:32 pm

DaveNZ wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:19 am
Yes, got to remove the muffler, no way around it.
Thanks man, it's no big thang. But, so many manuals say remove the muffler and then when you get into it, you find out you really didn't have to. I appreciate the info. I won't get my tire until at least Wednesday so there isn't a big press to get it off now.
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by jjscsix » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:23 pm

jfink wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:32 pm
DaveNZ wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:19 am
Yes, got to remove the muffler, no way around it.
Thanks man, it's no big thang. But, so many manuals say remove the muffler and then when you get into it, you find out you really didn't have to. I appreciate the info. I won't get my tire until at least Wednesday so there isn't a big press to get it off now.
You should not have to in the 1600. Well, I don’t, but the Remus on my bike might make a difference, but I don’t think so. There are a couple of ways to do it on the 1600. If you have not done it yet I can give you the secret code. But knowing you I’m guessing you have it figured out.....now that I know you have repaired a tube tire on the side of the road without a centerstand!
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by jfink » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:38 pm

jjscsix wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:23 pm
jfink wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:32 pm
DaveNZ wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:19 am
Yes, got to remove the muffler, no way around it.
Thanks man, it's no big thang. But, so many manuals say remove the muffler and then when you get into it, you find out you really didn't have to. I appreciate the info. I won't get my tire until at least Wednesday so there isn't a big press to get it off now.
You should not have to in the 1600. Well, I don’t, but the Remus on my bike might make a difference, but I don’t think so. There are a couple of ways to do it on the 1600. If you have not done it yet I can give you the secret code. But knowing you I’m guessing you have it figured out.....now that I know you have repaired a tube tire on the side of the road without a centerstand!
Getting the tire off the 1600 wasn't a big deal. Didn't require a 60mm socket and a 200 ft/lb torque wrench. And it didn't require removing the muffler, even though the book said so. There were 5 - 45 Torx bolts torqued to 44 ft/lbs, easy-peasy.

Speaking of easy-peasy, I got the wheel off the SDGT today. It DEFINITELY WASN'T torqued to spec; 250nm (184.4 ft/lbs). I was able to get it off with a wrench on the the 60mm socket using just the resistance of the compression in first gear. I did not need someone to stand on the brake. I've had more trouble loosening an axle nut on a KLR! I wonder if this is the way it came from the factory? Even with 2,077 miles there is a lot of tread left on this tire. Real shame.
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by DaveNZ » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:14 am

I found on my first tire change on my ex 1290R, that the nut came off real easy, 2 foot bar and socket, and not a lot of leverage, but the second tire change, and after torquing it up to 220kn myself, i had to use the ratchet gun to remove the nut. i smear a little grease on the threads also.
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by jfink » Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:04 pm

Got the wheel and tire back. I was prepared, with a capable assistant, to torque it back onto the GT. I put the GT in 1st gear, slapped on the tire. Had the torque wrench set at 184.4 ft/lbs (250nm). Before my most capable assistant could even put her foot on the brake, the clicker on the torque wrench told me it was already properly torqued. No muss, no fuss. I clicked it a couple more times, just to make sure it wasn't deceiving me. The easiest tire removal and install, EVER! The most difficult part was lining up the exhaust clamp. But difficult is probably the wrong word, may be I mean least easiest.

I may need to take it off again next week, as the dealer's balancing machine was incapacitated and waiting for parts. This was so easy that taking it off may be the best way to give it a good cleaning.

Thanks for the help everyone!
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by jfink » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:10 am

Yesterday I took the new Road 5 out for a little break in. Didn't run it too hard, may be rode for 100 miles. It felt good, it didn't feel out of balance. But it was a rainy day today and the dealer got his tire balancer fixed. So, I took the tire off, took it down, had it balanced and back on the bike in less than an hour. I feel like an Indy pit crew! Now, that it is scrubbed, it's ready for a real test.

While waiting at the dealer, I got to sit on a new 2018 Goldwing. The DCT model, with no clutch and no gear shift lever. It was very comfortable. I suspect it would take a little to get use to, but the damage it could reek on my other bikes, could be disastrous.
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by jjscsix » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:40 pm

I think you should buy a new Goldwing.....for Laura of course. I’m sure she will appreciate that you are looking out for her interest so that she doesn’t have to worry about that raggedy old heap of shit breaking down in the middle of nowhere.
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by jfink » Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:42 pm

jjscsix wrote:
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I think you should buy a new Goldwing.....for Laura of course. I’m sure she will appreciate that you are looking out for her interest so that she doesn’t have to worry about that raggedy old heap of shit breaking down in the middle of nowhere.
HA! Adventure begins when the plan ends. She is actually pretty comfortable with the idea that we are riding that old heap that is liable to break down in the middle of nowhere. I don't want to disappoint her!
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by Aussie Dave » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:46 am

Keep us posted with the PR5........ I'm headed in that direction, once I wear my Angel's out :lol:
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Re: Flat Tire

Post by jjscsix » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:21 pm

jfink wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:42 pm
jjscsix wrote:
Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:40 pm
I think you should buy a new Goldwing.....for Laura of course. I’m sure she will appreciate that you are looking out for her interest so that she doesn’t have to worry about that raggedy old heap of shit breaking down in the middle of nowhere.
HA! Adventure begins when the plan ends. She is actually pretty comfortable with the idea that we are riding that old heap that is liable to break down in the middle of nowhere. I don't want to disappoint her!
You are talking about the bike, right? :lol:
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