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Change of suspension

Post by Twisty » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:58 pm

Hey guys. I haven’t even taken home my new ‘16 GT (too cold here), but I’m wondering if the suspension is so troublesome, can it be replaced with an aftermarket shock like Ohlins?
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Re: Change of suspension

Post by DaveNZ » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:24 pm

NO............we have spent a lot of money on this bike :shock: .........the suspension is good, oh and you would probably get fault codes.
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Re: Change of suspension

Post by akarmire » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:24 pm

I was told it could be, but you would have the suspension failure warning on your dash from that point on.

Just ride it first. I thought I was unhappy with the suspension but it turned out to be my front tire wore out. Sure it doesn't feel like a track motorcycle but it can hold its own(No one has pulled away from me on a curvy road on it with any type of bike). Plus it sounded like you were stoked about getting it for a bargain, why throw 3K more into it with new fork internals and a shock? Who knows you may love the suspension.
If you don't like the feeling of the forks then ride a wheelie through the corners! Problem Solved!


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Re: Change of suspension

Post by Twisty » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:58 pm

Absolutely—I was just wondering. I rode my BMW R1200R for years and loved it, and then changed the suspension to Ohlins and then REALLY loved it. 😉. I’ll definitely ride the hell out of it and give the shocks time to bed in before I decide to make any change.
But has anyone here changed the suspension?
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Re: Change of suspension

Post by AllanP » Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:19 am

Twisty wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:58 pm
I’ll definitely ride the hell out of it and give the shocks time to bed in before I decide to make any change.
But has anyone here changed the suspension?
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KTM changed out the suspension on my 2016 (well the front at least) after a lot of problems with it. I've done 2250 miles/3600kms on it since then and its much better than it was when the bike was new and vastly better than it was just before the upgrade. I bought it new in February of this year and have spent quite a lot of time trying to find out if the semi-active suspension could be swapped out for the conventional WP suspension from the 1290r, and the short answer is no. The bike electronics would show a fault all the time and I never found any individual or company who have a strategy for working around this.

Try it first, you might like it. I personally don't, but many professional testers and some board members here do. I hope you enjoy it and let us know how it works out for you.

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Re: Change of suspension

Post by Twisty » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:19 pm

Thanks Allan. I too hope I love it too! But it’s nice to know the suspension can be changed to the new version if I don’t like it. I assume they switched from the 2016 to 2017 forks? Is that right?
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Re: Change of suspension

Post by DaveNZ » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:39 pm

My 2016 suspension is fine.
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Re: Change of suspension

Post by Twisty » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:05 pm

That is great to hear Dave. Damn this Winter! I wanna ride!

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Re: Change of suspension

Post by AllanP » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:26 am

Twisty wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:19 pm
Thanks Allan. I too hope I love it too! But it’s nice to know the suspension can be changed to the new version if I don’t like it. I assume they switched from the 2016 to 2017 forks? Is that right?
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You ask an interesting question that I can't really answer. My bike was actually "broken", KTM changed out all of the internals in both fork legs except the spring and it's much better now than it was when it was new. This you will be able to do.

If you find however, that you don't like the "characteristics" of KTM's semi-active suspension but its not broken, changing to the parts I have isn't going to help you.

I don't know what vintage the new parts are on my bike but I was told, "the latest".

KTM semi-active suspension has been troublesome and half an hour on the web will make this evident. In addition to the actual failures however, riders are mixed about whether they like it or not even when its working well. I think the majority like it and some like it a lot. I hope you're one of the guy's who likes it and I'll be really interested to hear your thoughts when you get a few miles on it.

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Re: Change of suspension

Post by DaveNZ » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:05 am

I was out riding in front with 2 Panigale 1299Ss today, it was a bloody fast ride keeping ahead of them, (i had the radar detector, so they didn't want to pass me) i push the bike hard, i was in Sport power, and Sport with luggage SUS setting, the bike is still soft, it takes a few hits that go right through the bike, so its soft and its slightly wallowie in the sunken road dips, but feels like it takes hard hits, now thats really pushing this bike hard, in general medium pace, the suspension feels really compliant, and soaks up everything, corrugation bumps can catch the suspension out on corners, but the bike stays reasonable on track. I have to remind myself this bike is sold as a sport touring bike, but i ride it as my sports bike. So altho I'm not totally happy with the suspension for hard out sports riding, I'm happy with it in general alround riding, of which this bike was built for.
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Re: Change of suspension

Post by Aussie Dave » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:08 am

Yep, gotta admit the dynamic stuff is probably more suited to road riding than track day racing......not that I ever go fast officer.. ;)

Let the snow melt and then muddle through the break-in miles like we did..... try any setting that seems to be ok until you get some miles into that suspension. By then you will have found yourself on 1+lgge spring and Street damping instead of Comfort, and for hard riding you will be on Sport damping. I have Ohlins on my CBR1100xx, but I like the soft bump absorbtion of the WP, though it could do with a bit more rebound damping on the rear (something that we cannot adjust...maybe a future software update Mr KTM ;) ).

I traded a sexy red Caponord 1200 TP with fully automatic dynamic Sach's suspension (for my 1290). That bike had bloody amazing touring comfort BUT it didn't have 150rwhp and was 30kg heavier....... I also know a few guys that have managed to chuck their 'dynamic' BMW's down the road ...... :roll:

Overall, I'm happy with the thing (what am I saying? I'm bloody amazed with my GT :!: ). Maybe as time goes by some factory updates might float down the line, but the Gt handles and performs just fine in the real world..... I've not had the pleasure of a passenger so I can't comment on that.. ;)

Keep doing your spring chant so the sun will shine and you can take your new 016GT out for a spin :mrgreen:
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Re: Change of suspension

Post by Clogan » Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:02 pm

DaveNZ wrote:My 2016 suspension is fine.
Mine, also a 2016, is fine too. I am still amazed by this bike, each time I ride it. Best bike I have ever had...and I bought my first one in 1971.

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Re: Change of suspension

Post by MR C » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:42 am

Mine was one of the very first bikes to land in the uk and it's been perfect, I plan to keep it well outside the warranty expiry and thinking about eliminating anything that could be expensive like the suspension, I would love to stick ohlins shock and fork internals on the bike !

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Re: Change of suspension

Post by Aussie Dave » Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:55 am

Cheers Mr C....... I wonder if anyone is thinking of making up a plug in dongle that tricks the ECU into thinking the suspension is working.......then just replace WP forks and shock with Ohlins units same diameter/length?

Might cost a bit ...... ;)
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Re: Change of suspension

Post by MR C » Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:20 pm

Aussie Dave wrote:Cheers Mr C....... I wonder if anyone is thinking of making up a plug in dongle that tricks the ECU into thinking the suspension is working.......then just replace WP forks and shock with Ohlins units same diameter/length?

Might cost a bit ...... ;)

Yeah great if possible Image

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Re: Change of suspension

Post by AllanP » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:26 pm

I wondered if it would be possible to add the the large tank and wind protection from a SD-GT to a SD-r. I'll bet that would be a can of worms :D

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