New Disc Rotors from KTM Aus.....Quick Warranty Service!

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New Disc Rotors from KTM Aus.....Quick Warranty Service!

Post by Aussie Dave » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:13 am

G'day all,

My GT had one of the front brake rotors go out of spec (causing a grabby/pulse motion when coming to a full stop). First noticed around 8000kms, but on reflection, it was happening gradually well before then - using the bike to commute for 2 days while the Nissan was in for maintenance really showed up the grabbing in city traffic/lights.. :lol:

No problem.......KTM tech took it for a quick spin and confirmed same. Disc rotors measured and email sent for warranty claim and within 2 days a new pair of brake disc's are waiting for me..... :D

I saw the warranty disc's this afternoon - still in their Brembo boxes and with the little 'b' in a circle stamped on the carriers. Out of curiosity I asked what the GT is assembled with and the tech said 'Galfer' rotors. Had a quick look at my GT when I got home and the carriers have the little 'b' stamped on them so maybe Brembo make the carriers and Galfer supplies/installs the brake rotor......no matter......so in goes the GT on Saturday morning for 2 new brake disc's (and new Brembo 'road' pads)...... ;).

Over the years I've concluded that these larger diameter performance disc'c (eg 320mm) are just to thin and the alloy carriers are too big - so they just go out of shape sometimes......had the same issue with a Yamaha FZR1000 Genesis way back in 1995.....320mm disc's with 6 piston calipers...... :roll:

Anyway.......Thankyou KTM Aus.......excellent service and warranty :D......and thanks for replacing both disc's..........
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Re: New Disc Rotors from KTM Aus.....Quick Warranty Service!

Post by DaveNZ » Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:47 am

Wow, thats great service Dave, can't complain that KTM arnt on the ball on warrantee issues, hey my mate just replaced his rotors on his 1290R, its a year out of warrantee, so he brought a set of Racetec rotors. very nice, and very thick, 6mm i think. very high quality, id like a set for my Multi. those rotors are crap, pulse like a bitch around town in slow braking conditions.
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Post by crazyinp » Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:42 am

Hope that fix the problem. Definitely didn't for many of us. I had the same issue and got new set of rotors and brake pads. Problem is still there. I overlooked that I ran out of warranty and now the dealer wants to charge me $180 to look them again. Need to call KTM to talk to them. I believe someone actually found that the wheel is the issue and not the rotors. On Superduke R the front rotors are made by Brembo. Rear is Galfer. Powerparts wave rotors are Galfer btw.
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Post by Aussie Dave » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:18 am

Cheers all, new rotors installed and scrubbed in by the KTM tech (who will shortly also be the Ducati tech ;) ).

Yes.....for local yokels......Springwood KTM (ie MRUs/Tony Armstrong's) are also a new base for southside Brisbane Ducati fanatics.......tech was telling me about his 2 day training course in Fraser's HQ Sydney and also confirmed the V4 Duke is real and will be here for 2018 model release......howzatt 8-) .....

Oh, yes, that's right......new Brembo disc's and actual Brembo 'road' pads (half the price of same pads with orange paint... :lol: ).....installed and sweet as....... (the tech took just under 1 hr from hand bike in, to, ride it around the block and hand keys to me.......shit, it would have taken me an hour to remove the front wheel, let alone heat up and unscrew the rotor dowels without fuking any threads etc ;) .......all while I sat and ate a lovely breakfast with a Cappucino and some crazy MX stunt video's running on screen.......hard life, I know... 8-)).

I've also heard these same rotors are prone to warping on MS1200 etc etc .....so when KTM get sick of warranty claims, I'll go for those 6mm thick Racetec rotors........4.5mm is just too thin for road-traffic use.....so I'm using my rear brake at stop lights just in case the heat from the front pads is an issue with warping the rotors........ ;)

Time will tell soon enough.....and I have 18 months of warranty to go, with 8,900kms travelled in just 6 months that should cover about 35k kms unless I do a couple of good long trips to boost the 2yr tally :lol:
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Post by crazyinp » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:01 am

yeah come back and tell us after a month! issue is not with rotor and pads but wheel
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Post by Aussie Dave » Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:56 am

Cheers crazy..... I'll know soon enough......unless we get crap weather for the next few weekends :lol:

Not wanting to disagree with any discussions I haven't stumbled onto (I've only trawled around the Gt section), but warping disc rotors isn't a new experience for me......I had 320mm disc's on my 1994 FZR1000 Genesis (ukno, the first bike to have the Ex-Up or power valve in the exhaust....way back in the noughties ;) ) and it used to eat brake disc's .......and the replacement rotors (once Yamaha said "no more warranty"), were cripplingly expensive in those years - like $1200.00Aus a pair for EBC Braking brand.... ;) ....only option other than OEM.

I blamed the narrow & long 6 piston pads back then, but I now think the 4.5mm thinness coupled with the larger alloy carrier's flexing under load is a big factor - other bikes with smaller diameter/thicker disc's don't seem to suffer from warping brakes.......my Honda CBR1100XX has done over 130,000kms and still has it's oem rotors - worn but not wobbly! (of course it won't stop as quick as a GT...... :lol: ).

Anyway......I don't have the big answer......but I can't quite see the wheel being the source unless the hub has been damaged or not cleaned or the dowel screws damaged or not torqued to spec's.....or..... :?: :|

Hey that reminds me........KTM service guys were telling me that torquing the rear wheel nut on the GT is not a simple task.......they related an incident where an owner had to have a tyre changed by a non KTM shop and the job was fuked up - they couldn't get the correct torque on the nut and it came loose - some special thread lube is required to help the torque wrench read correct.....so take care guys.......;).
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Post by DaveNZ » Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:21 am

Hey Dave, i put 4 sets of tires on my 1290R, and I've now fitted my 2nd set of tires on my GT, I've had no problem torquing up the rear nut to 220nm, and I've not had one come loose, but i do remember my first rear tire change on the 1290R, i was all set to undo the nut with all my strength, (as multistrada nut took some removing) socket on wrench about to be loaded up, about to heave, but nut undid easy, way to easy. Ok last friday i put my cheep (brought from SuperCheep) air powered hammer wrachet on the GT, but no way it would shift it. old fashioned way, wife on the bike with her foot on the foot brake, socket on with the breaker bar and a meter long pipe, crack and it came un done. no way that nut was ever gunna work loose. But for peace of mind, tomorrow i will remove the locking pins and put the torque wrench on and just check as I've done 250Ks since fitting the new Metzler 01.
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Post by AllanP » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:14 am

I had a hell of a job getting the rear wheel nut off the first time but with the right tools its not too bad. Since changing the rear tire I've gone back loosened the nut and re-torqued it and I think it had stayed at the correct setting. The security clips should prevent it coming undone too easily but I put some yellow nail varnish on the nut for a quick visual check (the nail varnish isn't mine....honest :D )

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Post by DaveNZ » Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:42 am

AllanP wrote:I had a hell of a job getting the rear wheel nut off the first time but with the right tools its not too bad. Since changing the rear tire I've gone back loosened the nut and re-torqued it and I think it had stayed at the correct setting. The security clips should prevent it coming undone too easily but I put some yellow nail varnish on the nut for a quick visual check (the nail varnish isn't mine....honest :D )
WOOH yellow nail varnish, very risk-ay there Allan, i bet it goes nice with those black leathers :lol:
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Post by Aussie Dave » Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:14 am

Cheeers guys.....the nut that came loose probably had more of a story to it than the guys were telling me.......

DaveNZ - I was just searching for those Racetec rotors your mate put on his Ducati....... I found the Brembo 'Serie Oro' 320mm rotors instead.

They are 5mm thick vs 4.5mm for Oem disc's and the site (HPS) writes them up as superior than cheaper chromium content disc's and also not prone to warping due to 'heat contraction' because they are "fullfloaters"...??.....though they looked like oem semi floating (ie non noisy) disc's in the photo. The carriers are also not pressed.....I forget the wording.....but they basically don't twist/flex in use.....

So this is the most 'official' reason for disc's warping that I have stumbled onto.....and I reckon it is correct (it's on the web.....so it must be true.....eh?).

The rotors heat up (sometimes unevenly depending on riding/braking) and when they cool down the metal contracts and warps......so 5mm might be all it takes to solve this drama..... I couldn't find a price even though on the SDR1290 page it stated "from $150UK"....... ;)

Must scurry out to the GT and measure my warranty disc's.....but I doubt even KTM would spring for Brembo Serie Oro disc's.... :lol:
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Post by DaveNZ » Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:41 am

Heres a pic he sent me, of his new rotors. Bloody nice, very high quality.
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Post by Aussie Dave » Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:11 am

Yep.....I saw that carrier pattern on the Racetech page.......he might have the flash stealth material ones?

Just scurried out to the garage.......my warranty disc's are 5mm.......howzatt :o Can't see any p/nos or markings (the thing is chockers with fuel and too heavy to bother with the race stands).....but it is looking good for the new disc's......unless the original set were also 5mm thick :roll:

Saw another old thread on the SDR side about oil filter cartridges in early models.....but I have the new p/no ending in 5200 on both boxes (one I used at 5000kms and the other is my shelf stock)......so all is good in my bike park.......the Blackbird is a little glum as I haven't ridden it for 4 weeks, and the 1290GT is very pleased with all the nice things that have been done to it......almost 9,000kms up......long way to go to earn the stripes the CBR1100xx has (130,000kms)......but we're onto it :lol:

Now to walk the dog, eat dinner, and maybe splash out on a Puig light smoke touring screen from the nice blokes at sdmoto-parts....... :lol:

That bloody Marky Marquez is a fuggin weapon eh :o .......whoda thunk ya could do 2laps, pull in, then win the race........ ;)
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Re: New Disc Rotors from KTM Aus.....Quick Warranty Service!

Post by DaveNZ » Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:42 am

Yea Mark got a little lucky, bad choice of soft wet tires, but a great choice of having the spare bike set up with slicks. Ive used Hiflo filters before on my 1290R, they are heaps cheeper than the KTM OEM filters supplied by the dealers here.
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