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Hard Suspension

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:38 am
by Flingit
Good day all
I've recently bought a new 1290 SD after having an 1190 Adventure. Admitedly, I've only done a few hundred K's, but I'm finding the suspension incredibly hard, to the point of being uncomfortable. I took my wife for a short ride last week and she hated every minute of it; probably wont go out again as it actually hurt her. The whole idea is to have a bike that we both enjoy being on. Anyone else experiencing this? Failing which it's For Sale. Thanks.

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:32 am
by DaveNZ
Is the bike a GT, or an R, the GTs suspension gets softer with lots of milage, The R just needs a little adjusting.

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:24 pm
by Flingit
It's the GT.

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:29 pm
by J biker
I had similar issues. As stated though, with miles it does soften off a lot.
Sport mode actually works well and allows more movement at the front with a little fork dive (helps turn in).

Its a great bike and now at 3500miles on mine it just gets better and better.

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:30 pm
by J biker
Should add that mine is now set to one person plus luggage, this seems to just lift or stiffen the back a tiny bit. Handles superb now.

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:06 pm
by DaveNZ
Flingit wrote:It's the GT.

Its interesting that you find it hard. my first 50 or so Ks i thought the suspension had a harsh edge to it, but after a 1000Ks or so it really beds in and softens, for me now its a little too soft in the rear, but i can live with it. i find the rear needs more rebound dampning.

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:15 pm
by OldGit60
Hi Flingit,

Check out my posts elsewhere on the forum - I went from the 1190 as well and suffered to the point of considering trading it for a 1290 s. Couldn't justify the loss so have stuck with the GT. Like a few others have said, it does noticeably soften up after a few miles, would could be a worry as I cant think what has 'softened' and is it a case of it wearing out quickly!?
Set it in sport and ride like you stole it and it works a lot better. Will never be the awesome all rounder that the 1190 Adventure is but the engine/brakes go some way to offsetting...

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:33 pm
by furndog
Put me in the hard category. I've tried every damping mode and load combination imaginable they all feel pretty much the same. Sport and rider with luggage marginally the better. I thought "comfort" would be like Gold Wing comfort or BMW comfort but it's more like springer hard tail comfort. I call it lane departure warning like my car has I swear you can feel the paint stripe. Now with about 2000 miles doesn't show any signs of getting better.

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:43 pm
by J biker
The roads where I live are really bumpy, convinced that 3k+ of thrashing the bike around them has helped. If running on mosty good(ish) roads my guess is more time/miles will be required to loosen up.
Comfort setting a waste of time from day one as the bike just seems to pitch and yaw. Feels weird.

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:17 pm
by DaveNZ
J biker wrote:The roads where I live are really bumpy, convinced that 3k+ of thrashing the bike around them has helped. If running on mosty good(ish) roads my guess is more time/miles will be required to loosen up.
Comfort setting a waste of time from day one as the bike just seems to pitch and yaw. Feels weird.

I hate comfort mode, too easy to get into trouble on, i was riding mostly in Street mode with luggage, but have switched to Sport mode solo, i don't get the rear raised (extra pre load) you get with luggage added, but you get a better balance with the comp, and rebound. Now that the suspension has bedded in and softened, this is my go to mode, most of my riding is at pace, i don't really tour on the GT.

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:59 am
by Flingit
Thanks everyone for your input; at one stage I thought I was losing my mind!
My wife and I went for a good length ride this past weekend, and I put it on Comfort and 1 rider + baggage. Wow, what a different motorcycle! Touched speeds of 220kph and it was perfect!
PS: my wife is now refered to officially as "baggage"!! :D

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:33 am
by Aussie Dave
Cheeers Mr & Mrs Flingit... 8-) Glad you've tamed the beast and found some nice settings :)

All comments so far are pretty much what I experienced........now 6000kms but my GT was a bit harsh in the first 1-2000kms ( I left it in solo & comfort while it settled in and just rode around the pogoing rear).

I think the dynamic damping also makes it tricky to compare with other suspensions (I have Ohlins on my Blackbird ;) )as the GT sometimes makes me think it's a rough ride around town, then feels super comfy out on the open roads at 100kph (60mph) with some shocking Aussie lumps & bumps :roll: (the pogo has long since evaporated and all is as it should be now).

I've observed the GT doesn't like corrugations on corner apexes......probably because of it's short wheelbase, height, very light weight and punchy, powerful sports motor.. lol:. and I am thinking clever electrickery just can't cope with some road conditions......but I'm still thinking about that....... :twisted:

Ps You've probably already done this... the spec tyre pressures (36-42)are bullshit for such a light powerful bike, so get your dealership to turn the "low pressure" warnings 'off', leaving the 'TPMS' on. Then you can run the pressures you need for your climate/roads without being distracted by urgent warnings mid corner. ;)

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:08 pm
by Flingit
I'm running the Factory tyre pressures; what are you running?

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:20 pm
by J biker
Im running 3-4 psi below, 33f 38r. This is cold though and if you watch the tps display, the pressure increases 3-4 with some heat in the tyres.
The GT doesnt seem to react well to dropping the pressures any further. This was on Angel GT and now M7rr for a bit fun. Back on with something harder wearing for my Alps trip soon.
Btw the Angel gt was changed at 2500miles, on the wear bars (between centre tread and edge of tyre) Could have squeezed 2-300 more miles max.

Angel GT profile defo more tour than sport.

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:03 am
by DaveNZ
I got the bike shop to turn off the tire pressure warning, now i don't get any tire pressure readings at all. I've fitted M7RRs, and last weekend i did over 500Ks of back roads, damp cold shaded corners, before leaving i set the front to 32 and the rear to 34, and i managed to get some good heat into the tires. the factory setting of 36F and 42R is just stupid, unless your doubling 2 ton Tessie, tires at these pressures will give a harshness to your ride. my summer tire pressures will be 33F and 35R on the M7s. (oe 34f 36r on the Angels) i did a shit load of fastest riding on back roads and i found sport solo rider perfect.

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:56 am
by Flingit
Thanks guys, much appreciated.

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:04 am
by Aussie Dave
Hey DaveNZ - go and see your dealer mechanic again. My TPMS gives me my hot tyre pressures while riding but I had the "Warning" switched off......as this was all they could figure out instead of changing the warning trigger values to say 30f and 32r.......anyway, no low pressure nanny warnings, but I still have the TPMS readings available to check pressures down the road.. ;)

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:15 am
by DaveNZ
Aussie Dave wrote:Hey DaveNZ - go and see your dealer mechanic again. My TPMS gives me my hot tyre pressures while riding but I had the "Warning" switched off......as this was all they could figure out instead of changing the warning trigger values to say 30f and 32r.......anyway, no low pressure nanny warnings, but I still have the TPMS readings available to check pressures down the road.. ;)

Thats what i was expecting Dave, to still have the pressure readings, but no warning alarm flashing. Oh well next time I'm up by the bike shop i may ask them to have another go at it. I always check my pressures manually before i roll the bike outside. Oh PS i have a dedicated bike room with compressor set up, (Daves man cave) i finally got around to finishing prior to the GTs arival.

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:35 am
by steve59
I totalled my sdr and was considering upgrading to the gt specifically for the electronic suspension but I think i'll stick to the 'R' after all. like the bike room.

Re: Hard Suspension

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:51 am
by DaveNZ
steve59 wrote:I totalled my sdr and was considering upgrading to the gt specifically for the electronic suspension but I think i'll stick to the 'R' after all. like the bike room.

If you do any 2up riding , or carry luggage Steve, the electronic suspension is worth while. Sport mode, with rider only, is close to how i had my SD set up, (softish) the new SD i hear has heavier spring rates, so may benefit a rider up to and around 100Kgs, the 23 litre tank is a bonus, as is the panniers, plus the screen. The biggest downside i see with the GT in comparison to the SDR, is the full exhaust system with mapping. there doesn't seem to be anything coming out from KTM for the GT in the way of open exhaust mapping, the mapping on my previous SDr, really made that engine come alive, much more aggresive on throttle imputs in sports mode, i wish this was available for the GT.