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some experience about OIL on GT

Post by Tancakar » Thu May 11, 2017 2:31 pm

Hi all

3000 miles ago i put fully synthetic oil from Motorex , called Power Synt 10W50 as it says in the book, i am on 6000 miles now and i am changing my oil again, i change oil seasonally before winter and before summer.
I was reading the manual and just seen two options

for <0 C (degrees) Motorex Power Synt 5W40
for >0 C (Degrees) Motorex Power Synt 10W50

i have running with 10W50 but i like to tell you all that if you have a proper winter even your bike will see conditions under 5 degrees dont use this oil. The bike is very difficult to start and also very difficult to get to the working temperature. I live in london and this winter i find it so difficult to start my bike and i was thinking its all about the battery but its the OIL. even Slight wrong working temperature effects the ease of star up.

i am now changing to 5W40 Motorex Power Synt also changing all the filters too.

Just letting everyone know that be very careful with the oil choice. Motul and Motorex are the best for our bikes mainly fully synthetic after 3000 miles.

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Post by Aussie Dave » Fri May 12, 2017 10:34 pm

I don't suffer from below zeroC temps here in the land down under, but, if you are changing oil seasonally I'd have to say yu might be wasting oil and money using full synthetic (unless you do track days and thrash the hell out of your GT).

Given I live in very mild conditions......but still relevant to engine operation and avoiding oil consumption issues caused by using 'racing spec' oils in ordinary road riding.......I use Motorex 4T semi syn 15w50 for Aus conditions. After 5000kms the oil level is at the same mark on the oil tank on the same spot in my garage. :D ....unlike my Caponord 1200 which always used 100cc per 1000kms (twice that in it's first 10,000kms of life)...... Must add that the semi syn I just changed looked like it would easily do 7,500kms....but I didn't know that for sure and was happy to change early to be on the safe side :)

For below zero temps, I'd still be tempted to use semi syn - if there was a viscosity range available for that temp (obviously I have no idea of frozen wasteland riding conditions - we have it so tough here - today's temps min 17C max 24C......should complain - it's drizzling this morning, I'm wearing shorts & Tshirt in Autumn..... :roll: ).

Let us know if your GT starts to sip some oil because I know from prior experience with full strength full synthetic oils - they will glaze the cylinder walls under ordinary road riding and cause increased/excessive oil consumption (especially on a new engine). If you have full syn better ride it like you stole it.....you have my permission......not sure if the local police will let you off though... :lol:

Ps probably common knowledge, but Motul 5100 is a 'Mid strength full synthetic', whereas M7100 is the full monty (full strenth full syn), and M300v is double esther for MotoGP riding conditions (M3100 is the mineral based semi syn blend).... I'm not certain what Motorex full syn is - I think the racing formula might be the full-full stuff, and the road oriented Motx10w40 might be a mid strength formula (?).......the dealerships have a long standing habit of pushing the top spec oil to hapless riders when they really only need a semi synthetic blend (or the tried and trusted M5100 I have in my Blackbird which has zero oil consumption after 130,000kms). :) - confusing or what.......eh? ;) and remember, I change my oil more often than the factory advises.....I doubt any oil can do a proper job for 15,000kms in a high performance sports engine (so it's change at half distance for me ;) ).
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Re: some experience about OIL on GT

Post by DaveNZ » Sat May 13, 2017 3:53 am

Hey Dave, 15,000 divided by 2 = (half) = 7,500 not 5000, that Australian education system has something to answer for..............Hey Dave I'm changing my oil at 7,500Ks hey mate thats half of the recommended distance. HALF. :D
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Re: some experience about OIL on GT

Post by Flingit » Sat May 13, 2017 6:44 am

I'm in South Africa on the East Coast, and our temps very seldom go down to 8'C in winter; and I never ride in those conditions as I don't have to; my bike is for pleasure only! My oil of choice on all previous, current and my sons racing Husqvarna FC450 mx bike is Motul 300v. It is by far the best oil we have used. Dyno graphs prove an INCREASE in hp of about 3% in tests done. My son says the gear changes are also smoother than other oils, and including finding neutral. I wont use anything else.

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Re: some experience about OIL on GT

Post by Tancakar » Sat May 13, 2017 11:32 am

i just did the oil change, oil filters, screens and my oil sensor change (which was broken and make the bike suffer and send it to limp mode).

I change the oil, with Motorex 5W40 Power Synt and what a difference, even the bike sounds better. Gear changes are very smooth and there are no mechanic sounds(which used to be) on the bike.
My Oil temperature sensor is working and the bike doesn't go in to limp mode anymore, which is amazing! And its starts in one shot :)

P.S. oil temperature sensor should be covered by Warranty and it is BUT my dealer give me a 5 weeks wait to actually even look at the bike as they are fully booked :/
i am not going to make my bike suffer just because they are fully booked, and i did it my self, the part was £108 and very easy to fit.(still requires to lift the tank as the sensor connector going near the air filter box on the left side.)

job done :)

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Re: some experience about OIL on GT

Post by Aussie Dave » Sun May 14, 2017 12:54 am

DaveNZ wrote:Hey Dave, 15,000 divided by 2 = (half) = 7,500 not 5000, that Australian education system has something to answer for..............Hey Dave I'm changing my oil at 7,500Ks hey mate thats half of the recommended distance. HALF. :D
Yeah....verry funnie mate.. :lol: ......I changed the oil at 5000k thinking it should be stuffed, but it looked like it would go the 7500km easily.......must be something to do with the KTM's dry sump system verses the usual wet sump designs and gearbox chomping and frothing that occurs in them.

So I'm committed to doing a change at 10k kms and then handing the GT in at 15k kms for the warranty/scheduled service......after which I will save my self the bother and just do one "in-betweenie" oil change at 22500km .....live and learn eh? The KTM must just splash lube the gearbox and thus keep the oil in great condition for longer than a traditional wet sump system......anybody know about this? any engineers on forum?

Cheers :)
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Re: some experience about OIL on GT

Post by Aussie Dave » Sun May 14, 2017 12:57 am

Great news Mr Tkr......glad that's sorted :)
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Re: some experience about OIL on GT

Post by Aussie Dave » Sun May 14, 2017 1:21 am

Cheers Flingit and son........I know about 300v.......like I said, if you ride hard enough then it's right for you ;)

Many years ago, the state warranty/service manager for Kawasaki Australia told me what I learned in hard cold experience later (because I was a young dickhead who thought he was bullshitting.... :roll: ) that if you use 'too good an oil' for your style of riding you will glaze the bores and the engine will use oil.........

After I traded several bikes in when I got sick of adding oil I realised for myself that he was spot on and for normal road riding (you may be a MotoGP pilot......like DaveNZ... ;) ) I now use semi syn and just change it myself when it gets dirty.......at about half distance......works out the same cost as using a FSFSyn and leaving it in for the full service distance. (though Motul 5100 mid strength F-Syn doesn't cause problems for sooks like me who don't do track days or ride like a MotoGP racer.......hell we have so many unmarked bikes/cars and speed camera's out there just waiting for unwary riders to make a donation and commit to riding the bus... :lol: )

So good for you, I've used 300v before and agree......but if you tell me if your engine uses any oil and needs to be topped up before the scheduled service is due........

Ps my gear change is slick and I find neutral easily too......all on 15w50 4T Motx semisyn..... :D and my local KTM chief mechanic recommended I stick to this stuff for our Aussie conditions as the 1190's had problems with oil consumption using FSFSyn oils....... ;)
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Re: some experience about OIL on GT

Post by Flingit » Mon May 15, 2017 8:47 am

I am well aware of excessive oil consumption with certain oils; in fact, we had it happen with our Husqvarna FC250 Redhead a few years ago, when we used Liqui Moly. To date, we've never had an issue with Motul 300V and we've used it in a few motorcycles.
There are lots of good oils around; use what works for you.

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Re: some experience about OIL on GT

Post by Aussie Dave » Tue May 16, 2017 7:56 am

G'day all.......chilly morning at long last here on the other end of the horse.....(well, we think 12C is chilly :lol:....especially after such an extended summer.....what happened to our Autumn?.....Winter in two weeks! ).

Had an early finish from work ( :) ) and dropped by the KTM dealership to pick up a free bike magazine (tight arse I hear you say)..... and while I was wandering around, a young staffer asked if I needed anything..... so I asked him what he knew about the Motorex oil range.

He is a racer but works in the spares/accessories area and was happy to advise that the Top Speed synthetic was a great choice for Aussie road riders - offering smoother gear changes etc and suggested it would be ideal for my next 'official' oil change (15,000kms). (I think of it as equivalent to Motul 5100).

Power Synt is the full strength full syn double esther designed for tyre blistering riders or track junkies comparable to M300v. Good, now I have that sorted......

I'm happy with the Formula 4T semi syn for general Aussie road riding conditions (with the odd fun spurt when no one official is watching) but I will likely change to Top Speed 15w50 at the 15k kms mark. You frozen country fanatics have other factors to consider than our hot summer and mild winter temps...... all I needed to consider was letting the new engine wear in fully as oil consumption was not an option after my 'Italian Adventure'...... ;)

So far so good......5000kms and zero oil consumption.....that's what I like to see......oh, and 150hp on demand when I'm in the groove and out in the hills.... :D

I hope all forum members had their OS's up to date and didn't get 'Ransomed' on the weekend.. :)

Cheers all..(gawd dammit, are these 'smilies' the only emogies we can play with on this forum.... :roll: )
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Re: some experience about OIL on GT

Post by steved57 » Mon May 29, 2017 5:47 pm

Instead of starting a new thread I thought this one would be appropriate for my question

So owners manual says put bike on level surface - however is oil level in sight glass to be checked on sidestand or holding bike up level ?
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Re: some experience about OIL on GT

Post by DaveNZ » Mon May 29, 2017 9:47 pm

^^ Bike up level Steve, you would find thats the way on most makes of bikes. My Multi on the stand, shows no oil in the sight glass, upright its near the top. I noticed at first service the bike shop put 10-40 in the GT, I've reached 7500Ks so have now done an oil change, i went to buy motul 10-50, but its not brought into NZ, so i went for motul 10-40 V300. We arnt a cold country, winter day temps very 12-16deg, summer 20-27deg, so we are in the middle of the 2 recommended oil viscosity range, so 10-40 it is. so i went for the V300, for the added protection. My engine is fully run in, and used no oil in its 6500 travelled Ks. (oh ps, it looked like the bike took 3.8 litres to fill to in-between the top 2 site glass lines. bike upright)
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Re: some experience about OIL on GT

Post by steved57 » Mon May 29, 2017 10:50 pm

Ok Dave
Thanks for reply - I changed my oil/filter and cleaned screens (first service - did it myself) at 600 miles and put in
Motorex 10w60 full synth
Went on 1, 400 mile trip and she seemed to use some oil. So I just went on a little 60 mile sprint and drained oil while good at hot and am putting in Motul 5100 10w50 semi synth
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Re: some experience about OIL on GT

Post by DaveNZ » Tue May 30, 2017 1:09 am

steved57 wrote:Ok Dave
Thanks for reply - I changed my oil/filter and cleaned screens (first service - did it myself) at 600 miles and put in
Motorex 10w60 full synth
Went on 1, 400 mile trip and she seemed to use some oil. So I just went on a little 60 mile sprint and drained oil while good at hot and am putting in Motul 5100 10w50 semi synth
Motul 5100 is very good oil Steve, I've been putting motul 5100 15-50 in my Multistrada for years, and it also doesn't use any oil. the 10-60 you used is more designed for big singles, i.e. KTM 640, or 690. and the big singles will use a little oil. from memory my ex Griso ran on 10-60, and it also would use a little oil between changes. I went with V300 mainly because i intend to take the GT on the track.
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Re: some experience about OIL on GT

Post by Aussie Dave » Wed May 31, 2017 7:14 am

Cheers GT pilots......

I had my dealership mech's do the 1000km(620m) service and they invoiced 3.6 Ltrs of oil...... The owners handbook states 3.5L with a filter.

I changed the oil myself at 5000kms (in preparation for a 3000km road ride that I had to "not go on" because of work :() , and after draining the old oil and moving the GT from side stand to vertical and back to get all of the oil oil out, and cleaning the screens etc.... in goes a new filter element, and initially 3.0Ltrs of oil, then quick start and .6Ltrs to top up the tank. After a proper ride I got the same level as the professionals (but I was wondering if I had done it right as the sight glass isn't correct until you run the motor for a while :o ) . Too easy eh :lol: .....no pool of oil on the ground either.....bloody lucky or what :o

Anyway, you will get used to where the oil level should be whichever way suits you as it is so easy to see the big sight window when holding the bike upright......or glancing at the glass when it's on the side stand, remembering the oil level is different for that check position but just as valid a check so long as you remember which notch it should be at .... ;)

Pssss......bloody dog was barking and people making noise.....lost my train of thought while tapping this so I hope I haven't made a mess - my GT is up on it's rear paddock stand so I can't double check my memory of the side stand level vs hold upright...... :oops:......but you'll get the idea....just use one method once you know what 'full' with 3.5Ltrs+filter is..... ;)
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Re: some experience about OIL on GT

Post by Aussie Dave » Wed May 31, 2017 7:47 am

Oh, that's right...... just to add that I too thought Motul 5100 was "semi synth" for years, until I looked at the Motul website recently and behold, it is written in words we can understand instead of technosyntheise bulldust speak......but M5100 is classed by Motul as 'Mid Strength Full Synthetic'.......as opposed to M3100 Gold which is their fortified mineral oil normally called semi synthetic.

Anyway, M5100 is great and I've been using it for decades with zero oil consumption (eg Blackbird 1100xx has 130,000kms at 12years of age and the oil level does not vary over the 6,000km interval I use for oil&filter services. I'd tend to prefer M5100 15w50 for your hot Texas conditions (similar to Aussie) but 10w50 will still be fine ;). I'm using Motorex 4T 15w50 semi syn as the dealership is a Motorex agent, but it has been fine for my conditions and I'll probably change to Top Speed 15w50 (full syn)at the 15,000km official warranty record service if I can find out if it is the equivalent to M5100. :lol:

Bloody hell.....so many oil products.....so many choices.....does my head in..... :roll:
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Re: some experience about OIL on GT

Post by Tancakar » Sat Jun 03, 2017 2:40 pm

because of my climate and i live in Uk/London i use Motorex Power synthetic 5W40 and it has been amazing so far, no slip.

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