Track Days on a SD-GT

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Re: Track Days on a SD-GT

Post by J biker » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:06 pm

Yep ^^^^ agree with that. Rider has to have some input. Even a bespoke suspension set up is only right some of the time anyway. ;)

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Re: Track Days on a SD-GT

Post by jrc58 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:30 pm

The problem with the "semi-active" suspension is that the front and rear can not be configured independently.
On the 1290 SD R if you can.

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Re: Track Days on a SD-GT

Post by AllanP » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:15 am

J biker wrote:You can apply your own settings tbh. Problem is that its within the parameters of load, and comfort/street/sport damping. It doesnt have the fine tuning possibilities that would be ideal and some other systems have. So far my best setting is Sport, 1 rider plus luggage. The bike seems to sit right in the corners with this and turn in etc. is very good. Next fine tuning will probably be trying different tyres and tyre pressures. Im sure this could affect the front feel as well with a less stiff tyre construction.

Puzzles me why they didnt go the same route as the S1000r sport, at least sag could be set to rider weight as a good starting point..

On my 3rd variation active or what ever you want to call system now and while all are very good I dont think they can match quality suspension units with an individual set up. ESA on GS and ESA on S1000, plus the WP active all seem to have a problem at the front if you hit a bump. Its as if it doesnt have time to dial in a softer damping until the 1st irregularity is absorbed. Just my thoughts.
I weigh about 180lbs/82kg with riding gear an the best solo setup I've found for street riding is also sport damping and 1 rider+luggage. Not much difference that I can detect with bump compliance compared with 1 rider-no luggage but I think the bike turns better, particularly trail breaking. I actually like the way it steers but am not so fond of the coarse feel and clonking from the suspension particularly the front end. If I find I can comfortably take the corners at speed at the track and the bike feels good I'm sure I'll forget all about the odd feeling of the forks the day after.

I don't want to stray too far away from what I'll use on the road so I think I'll fit sport tires like the M7RR and start with 32F and 32R which worked for DaveNZ on his 1290R. I've also used these same pressures as a starting place on the other bikes I've taken to the track with sport tires. Sport tires have much softer side walls than DOT race tires and I would not start at lower pressures than this. Its also going to be hot as hell and even at my modest pace, its easy to cook street tires if you run them too soft.

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Re: Track Days on a SD-GT

Post by DaveNZ » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:11 pm

Aussie Dave wrote:Yeah, if only there was an "Ohlins" setting, then switch over to Dynamic Damping for the long haul home.... :lol:

Still, it does a good job for what I want......and I'll ride around anything it doesn't do well......gotta have something to do while riding.....don't want to fall asleep while the bike does it all for me... ;)
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Re: Track Days on a SD-GT

Post by JDS1290SDr » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:29 pm

J biker wrote:You can apply your own settings tbh. Problem is that its within the parameters of load, and comfort/street/sport damping. It doesnt have the fine tuning possibilities that would be ideal and some other systems have. So far my best setting is Sport, 1 rider plus luggage. The bike seems to sit right in the corners with this and turn in etc. is very good. Next fine tuning will probably be trying different tyres and tyre pressures. Im sure this could affect the front feel as well with a less stiff tyre construction.

Puzzles me why they didnt go the same route as the S1000r sport, at least sag could be set to rider weight as a good starting point..

On my 3rd variation active or what ever you want to call system now and while all are very good I dont think they can match quality suspension units with an individual set up. ESA on GS and ESA on S1000, plus the WP active all seem to have a problem at the front if you hit a bump. Its as if it doesnt have time to dial in a softer damping until the 1st irregularity is absorbed. Just my thoughts.



I believe that. I also believe that none of the manufactures have a active suspension that can react quick enough to smooth out the initial hit of a harsh bump. Don't get me wrong. Nice feature, Id like to have that option. Im guessing the faster you go, the more damping applied?
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Re: Track Days on a SD-GT

Post by Aussie Dave » Tue May 02, 2017 9:30 am

If only they could add "Gold Valves" without breaching the Patents......then the forks would allow the initial hit to be absorbed, with the semi active then doing it's control thingy.......unfortunately, fancy pants electrickickery is 'blind' to the nasties on the road surface....and can only react to hits, without any idea of how bad a 'hit' it will be.......so no threat to the job of "rider"......we are still required.... ;)
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Re: Track Days on a SD-GT

Post by Tancakar » Thu May 11, 2017 2:38 pm

very expensive track bike for me. i don't have too much experience on track so i would rather smash cheaper bike. besides all Gt is slightly on the heavier side for track riding but hey yes you can ride it on track easily can keep up with and 600 cc sports bike or 1000 cc sports bike :) i love the torque when you come out of a bend.

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Re: Track Days on a SD-GT

Post by Tancakar » Thu May 11, 2017 2:39 pm

JDS1290SDr wrote:
J biker wrote:You can apply your own settings tbh. Problem is that its within the parameters of load, and comfort/street/sport damping. It doesnt have the fine tuning possibilities that would be ideal and some other systems have. So far my best setting is Sport, 1 rider plus luggage. The bike seems to sit right in the corners with this and turn in etc. is very good. Next fine tuning will probably be trying different tyres and tyre pressures. Im sure this could affect the front feel as well with a less stiff tyre construction.

Puzzles me why they didnt go the same route as the S1000r sport, at least sag could be set to rider weight as a good starting point..

On my 3rd variation active or what ever you want to call system now and while all are very good I dont think they can match quality suspension units with an individual set up. ESA on GS and ESA on S1000, plus the WP active all seem to have a problem at the front if you hit a bump. Its as if it doesnt have time to dial in a softer damping until the 1st irregularity is absorbed. Just my thoughts.



I believe that. I also believe that none of the manufactures have a active suspension that can react quick enough to smooth out the initial hit of a harsh bump. Don't get me wrong. Nice feature, Id like to have that option. Im guessing the faster you go, the more damping applied?
did you ever try aprillia capanord ? thats a fully active suspension and its amazing

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