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MTC Failure

Post by bigman32hockey » Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:34 pm

I am new to KTM, having owned mostly Honda and Yamaha's in the past. I have to say the GT is the best bike I've ever ridden. When it's working. Since having the 620 mile service I have twice now gotten the MTC Failure. The first time I was out for a ride, stopped for about 20 minutes, and when I came back the screen read MTC Failure and the check engine light went on. It seemed to be running fine, but I stopped just to make sure I wasn't gushing fluid or something somewhere. When I restarted the bike, all was back to normal. All the lights were out and everything looked good. Then, while in a fairly sharp left turn the MTC went off and the bike all of a sudden went into some kind of safe mode. It would drive, but at around 4k RPM that was it. Bike had minimal power. I called the dealer and he said to bring it in. When they hooked it up to the KTM Diagnostic tool, it read an ABS code and some kind of exhaust valve not being within specs. They adjusted the exhaust valve and test drove. Everything was working fine. I was relieved to say the least. After all, I just dumped $20K into this bike and I was already at the shop with 650 miles! I rode the bike a couple more times and everything worked great, until this morning. As I was making a right hand turn the MTC Failure light showed its ugly head again. Check engine and TC showed on the dash. I shut it off and let it sit for 20 minutes. Came out and MTC was back on, but check engine was still on. I'm like, WTH?? I disbaled MTC and ABS in the menus, wondering if that might bypass the issue until I could get it BACK to the dealer. Rode about 500 yards and bike went right back into safe mode. Very minimal power.

At this point I am scared to death I spent $20K on a POS. My last bike (2012 Yamaha FZ8) went over 8,000 miles without a single issue. I understand the GT has a lot more electronics and stuff, but for $20K, shouldn't I be able to be confident the thing is gonna work? Has anyone out there experienced the issue I have? If so, please let me know what the fix was. I love the bike and want to ride it! Thanks.

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Re: MTC Failure

Post by vet57air » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:51 pm

I have heard of this happening to our Euro friends. They had some software update to fix. Several had their exhaust servo valves replaced. Sounds like you could be a candidate?

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Re: MTC Failure

Post by bigman32hockey » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:18 am

Thanks for the information. I will be sure to mention this to the dealer tomorrow when I bring the bike in. Thanks again.

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Re: MTC Failure

Post by jhalfhide » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:23 am

Exhaust valves are the biggest pita ever. Forever seazing so best to just bypass or get rid of them altogether. They sound the same as the multi ones and can be cheated by a small Spring.


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Re: MTC Failure

Post by bigman32hockey » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:20 am

How do I bypass it?

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Re: MTC Failure

Post by vet57air » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:27 am

There is another thread on this forum on this. Disconnect and you get an MTC failure. Presently I know of no one that offers a dongle to plug in instead of the servo, although several are working on it.

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Re: MTC Failure

Post by bigman32hockey » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:27 pm

Anyone use the Healtech Servo Buddy on a GT? I'm looking to dump the servo motor all together. It's gonna be a pita I can see.

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Re: MTC Failure

Post by bigman32hockey » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:32 am

Got the bike back today. They replaced the exhaust valve servo motor. Everything seems to be running great now. Thanks for all the help.

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Re: MTC Failure

Post by Steve539 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:34 am

Steve539 wrote:
bigman32hockey wrote:I am new to KTM, having owned mostly Honda and Yamaha's in the past. I have to say the GT is the best bike I've ever ridden. When it's working. Since having the 620 mile service I have twice now gotten the MTC Failure. The first time I was out for a ride, stopped for about 20 minutes, and when I came back the screen read MTC Failure and the check engine light went on. It seemed to be running fine, but I stopped just to make sure I wasn't gushing fluid or something somewhere. When I restarted the bike, all was back to normal. All the lights were out and everything looked good. Then, while in a fairly sharp left turn the MTC went off and the bike all of a sudden went into some kind of safe mode. It would drive, but at around 4k RPM that was it. Bike had minimal power. I called the dealer and he said to bring it in. When they hooked it up to the KTM Diagnostic tool, it read an ABS code and some kind of exhaust valve not being within specs. They adjusted the exhaust valve and test drove. Everything was working fine. I was relieved to say the least. After all, I just dumped $20K into this bike and I was already at the shop with 650 miles! I rode the bike a couple more times and everything worked great, until this morning. As I was making a right hand turn the MTC Failure light showed its ugly head again. Check engine and TC showed on the dash. I shut it off and let it sit for 20 minutes. Came out and MTC was back on, but check engine was still on. I'm like, WTH?? I disbaled MTC and ABS in the menus, wondering if that might bypass the issue until I could get it BACK to the dealer. Rode about 500 yards and bike went right back into safe mode. Very minimal power.

At this point I am scared to death I spent $20K on a POS. My last bike (2012 Yamaha FZ8) went over 8,000 miles without a single issue. I understand the GT has a lot more electronics and stuff, but for $20K, shouldn't I be able to be confident the thing is gonna work? Has anyone out there experienced the issue I have? If so, please let me know what the fix was. I love the bike and want to ride it! Thanks.



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My servo went out while I was on a trip. Into limp mode. I was lucky enough to get to a KTM dealer. They eerified the diag and we're lucky enough to get a servo overnighted. Next day servo installed and all was well. Another 400 miles or do the servo fails again. In limp mode again. This time no available dealer. Spent $400 on UHaul truck and 10 hour drive home. Cut trip short by 5 days. KTM you have a problem. Fix it!!


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Re: MTC Failure

Post by Steve539 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:43 am

Steve539 wrote:
bigman32hockey wrote:I am new to KTM, having owned mostly Honda and Yamaha's in the past. I have to say the GT is the best bike I've ever ridden. When it's working. Since having the 620 mile service I have twice now gotten the MTC Failure. The first time I was out for a ride, stopped for about 20 minutes, and when I came back the screen read MTC Failure and the check engine light went on. It seemed to be running fine, but I stopped just to make sure I wasn't gushing fluid or something somewhere. When I restarted the bike, all was back to normal. All the lights were out and everything looked good. Then, while in a fairly sharp left turn the MTC went off and the bike all of a sudden went into some kind of safe mode. It would drive, but at around 4k RPM that was it. Bike had minimal power. I called the dealer and he said to bring it in. When they hooked it up to the KTM Diagnostic tool, it read an ABS code and some kind of exhaust valve not being within specs. They adjusted the exhaust valve and test drove. Everything was working fine. I was relieved to say the least. After all, I just dumped $20K into this bike and I was already at the shop with 650 miles! I rode the bike a couple more times and everything worked great, until this morning. As I was making a right hand turn the MTC Failure light showed its ugly head again. Check engine and TC showed on the dash. I shut it off and let it sit for 20 minutes. Came out and MTC was back on, but check engine was still on. I'm like, WTH?? I disbaled MTC and ABS in the menus, wondering if that might bypass the issue until I could get it BACK to the dealer. Rode about 500 yards and bike went right back into safe mode. Very minimal power.

At this point I am scared to death I spent $20K on a POS. My last bike (2012 Yamaha FZ8) went over 8,000 miles without a single issue. I understand the GT has a lot more electronics and stuff, but for $20K, shouldn't I be able to be confident the thing is gonna work? Has anyone out there experienced the issue I have? If so, please let me know what the fix was. I love the bike and want to ride it! Thanks.



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MTC Failure

Post by Steve539 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:17 am

bigman32hockey wrote:Got the bike back today. They replaced the exhaust valve servo motor. Everything seems to be running great now. Thanks for all the help.

This happened to me. The 2nd one lasted 400 miles and the same thing all over again. I hope you fare better!


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Re: MTC Failure

Post by bigman32hockey » Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:20 pm

The exhaust servo motor was replaced and since then have not had a problem with MTC Failure warning. Crossing my fingers it lasts. I agree KTM has an issue it needs to address. If it happens again to mine ill figure a way to bypass it.

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Re: MTC Failure

Post by jhalfhide » Tue Nov 01, 2016 4:40 pm

bigman32hockey wrote:The exhaust servo motor was replaced and since then have not had a problem with MTC Failure warning. Crossing my fingers it lasts. I agree KTM has an issue it needs to address. If it happens again to mine ill figure a way to bypass it.
Not just KTM. Ducati have issues with theirs. Bypass them and be done with it.


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Re: MTC Failure

Post by yammer62 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:42 pm

Same here....I got the MTC failure along with check engine light at 680 miles. Engine in failsafe mode and will not rev past 6k rpm. First repair attempt was adjustment of the servo cables. Got the bike back and half a mile later same thing. Bike is currently in the shop waiting for the valve servo motor to arrive.

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Re: MTC Failure

Post by DaveNZ » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:00 pm

jhalfhide wrote:
bigman32hockey wrote:The exhaust servo motor was replaced and since then have not had a problem with MTC Failure warning. Crossing my fingers it lasts. I agree KTM has an issue it needs to address. If it happens again to mine ill figure a way to bypass it.
Not just KTM. Ducati have issues with theirs. Bypass them and be done with it.


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Re: MTC Failure

Post by jhalfhide » Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:11 am

DaveNZ wrote:
jhalfhide wrote:
bigman32hockey wrote:The exhaust servo motor was replaced and since then have not had a problem with MTC Failure warning. Crossing my fingers it lasts. I agree KTM has an issue it needs to address. If it happens again to mine ill figure a way to bypass it.
Not just KTM. Ducati have issues with theirs. Bypass them and be done with it.


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If anyone know's of a dongle or bypass plug, please let me know, i want rid of that troublesome servo.
Not sure if the connector is the same but I used a DUC.EE eliminator. Approximately £30 from eBay. The Ducati servo actually looked for the right resistance rather than a simple 'are you there' check. Very annoying to bypass but if the DUC.EE eliminator sends the right resistance back on a Ducati, it might work on the KTM. Even if the connectors are different, just try different wire combos until the error goes and then solder on the right connector for your bike.

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Re: MTC Failure

Post by DaveNZ » Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:25 am

Thanx Jhalfhide, yeah the plug looks different.
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Re: MTC Failure

Post by maya06 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:34 am

DaveNZ wrote:Thanx Jhalfhide, yeah the plug looks different.
Dave, here is for you :

Parts :
http://www.rottweilerperformance.com/sa ... l-stage-2/

Video to do the job :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiTcjSWy8D0
You have to adapt for the GT as the pipes & other stuff are not located at the same place
but the idea is there. :)

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Re: MTC Failure

Post by DaveNZ » Sun Nov 06, 2016 9:05 pm

Thanx Maya, I've already done the Rottweiler stage 2 kit, and that video was handy, Those parts allow for the removal of the Euro4 SAS emissions junk, what i need now is a dongle specifically made to allow the removal of the servo unit that drives the exhaust valve, doesn't look like theres one on the market yet.
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