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Post by Aussie Dave » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:55 am

I am about to install an MiVV muffler, MiVV decat mid pipe, SAS removal plates to my 2017 SDGT. I am running a K&N airfilter in the standard airbox.... and have re-installed my O2 sensors as recommended.

I became confused with conflicting info on various forums, and after pk1 reminded me he was running a Booster Plug on a similar setup, I emailed for more info....... glad I did :lol: .

I recommend reading the attached links as the FI specialist at Booster Plug makes it much clearer........ here's the email with the links (note, I was asking Jens if my 17GT with 19 ECU software upgrade would be ok with a Booster Plug).....



Jens Lyck <jens@boosterplug.com>
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Hello David,

No matter what kind of software updates the manufacturer are launching, they are still restricted by the emission standards, so the bike will still be running too lean - and will still be needing the small controlled fuel enrichment from the BoosterPlug. No software update can change this.

The BoosterPlug is active in open loop mode where the engine needs the slightly richer mixture the most.

The O2 sensor is active in closed loop mode where there is not much need for the richer mixture, so removing the O2 sensors is basically most about wasting fuel and harming the environment. You can see our general take on the O2 sensor removal kits here: https://www.boosterplug.com/shop/cms-o2 ... ensor.html

As the two methods are active at different times, the BoosterPlug will do it’s job no matter if you have the O2 sensors installed or not. But we still recommend using the BoosterPlug with the O2 sensor(s) installed.

But the BoosterPlug is working well with the common air filter and exhaust modifications. Please see the details here: https://www.boosterplug.com/shop/cms-af ... lters.html

On the decat link pipe: https://www.boosterplug.com/shop/cms-re ... erter.html

And the SAS removal is no problem for the BoosterPlug either: https://www.boosterplug.com/shop/cms-re ... ction.html


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Post by Aussie Dave » Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:30 am

Jens is a bit of a top gun rider and he hussles a 1290SAS around like a Pannigale.......


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I guess this should teach everyone in Scandinavia not to moan about the rainy and cold winters !!!! (We would be more than happy to share the rain with you)

Thanks for your order - we will get your BoosterPlug shipped today and you will receive tracking information in a separate mail.

BTW: I have a 1290 Super Adventure S myself. It is my main bike and I’m using it for everything including tours across Europe as well as track days, so I know the 1290 engine well. My bike have now done 55000 kms, but shows no signs of wear, so it will probably stay with me for quite a few years more. I simply can not find a better bike and there is no better motorcycle engine in the world IMHO

Here is a short video where I’m following a Ducati Panigale on a twisty mountain road in Germany, so even though it is basically an adventure bike, it can go fast on the paved roads too :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEkMBdK ... e=emb_logo

You can see my KTM and other bikes in my personal blog: www.motorcyclelife.eu


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Post by pk1 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:22 am

Welcome to the club Dave I’m sure you will not be disappointed,the sensor on the booster plug says install to the front of the bike? However I found this to be a bit of a challenge so I routed mine out to the back taking it out through the old canister hole and attaching to the space between the trellis subframe. I put an little round spacer on the cable where it joins the sensor and a very small cable tie this prevents the sensor touching anything, I spoke to Jen on this and he said it’s fine as long as the sensor doesn’t touch the frame.
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Post by Winger » Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:11 am

I’m interested why the OP is confused i’m Currently treading the same path with Wings can,Bodis decat,Motohooligan filter and SAS en-route in hand luggage from the States and just the PC5 to order,loads and loads of info on here particularly from Kev never been less confused.

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Post by Aussie Dave » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:06 pm

Thanks Winger-san,

Not confused anymore, and I'm not the only one reading forums and picking up conflicting statements.....

I did not want to go down the PC5 dyno path as I'm not chasing ultimate hp or track day precision tuning, just a nice note and no loss of current performance and good AFR's. The GT is totally fine oem, but after 3 years I wanted to customize it without spending a fortune...... I have spent $1209Au on the Mivv Suono can ($632Au delivered), decat pipe (270Au del), SAS kit ($72Au del) & Booster Plug ($235Au del).

In fact the oem can is just as good as the aftermarket can, so I could have saved myself $632 and just decated but I liked the look of the Suono, and I'm not getting any younger :roll: ..... the Booster Plug is designed by a FI specialist to compensate for the idle/low rpm lean spot caused by the decat....... it worked for pk1, so I'm positive it'll be fine for me.....

Best wishes with your hot-up mods - I like your freight solution..... cuts the cost drastically :mrgreen:

Ps Cheers pk1..... I'll look into that idea for the sensor position. I have had several chats with Jens at B/P - he is a 1290SAS rider who keeps up with Panigale guys...... 8-).... and bugger me, the B/P will be here on Friday!
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Post by Winger » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:51 am

My take on PC’s I have 3 bike with such I want to know what is going on,I have even bought a secondhand PC that came off a bike same headers,end etc fitted on mine went to the dyno,phone rings we’ve dynoed your bike and? I ask it’s not bad they reply,I want it right was mine, and it took another couple of runs to get it right.

I’ve read Kevs input from various forums and folks take of his posts what they want,what I most certainly wil not be doing is throwing everything on in one go,you need to work out what each part does,but just like our bike we are all different. :D

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Post by Aussie Dave » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:38 am

:lol: The changes I'm making have been done by others, with seemingly positive results, so I'll be taking the tank off once only, and installing the SAS kit and Booster Plug, and then getting down and dirty dropping the cat (which I thought I'd never do..... must be going soft in the head :roll: ).

ESE already in use, just waiting for the company of a nice strong note instead of the almost silent oem muffler. I drove alongside my GT on the motorway while a friend was ferrying it to KTM a year ago (when I was not allowed to ride - but ok to drive).... and chain noise was all that could be heard when he gave it a squirt :( .......looked great but had to fix the music. Since then I've clocked up 16,000kms in 9 months so I'm fully recovered and happy to spend some $.

I've been told to do a 10min idle by the KTM team, after the changes, and it's ready to roll.

Might not be as perfect as a custom map, but for general road duties it's supposed to be pretty close..... guess I'll know for sure in a few weeks eh ;) .

Cheers from Aus...... latest intel from the fires..... 2,131 homes destroyed, 26 killed, and an area the size of Italy has been torched........ fkn amazing scenes on the news..... and the death toll for wildlife and stock is horrendous :( ....... send rain ;) .
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Post by Aussie Dave » Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:22 pm

:mrgreen: ...... was out in the man cave (garage)Saturday afternoon..... checked out the location pk1 used for the BoosterPlug air sensor and thought up a plan...... :twisted: '

Down to my local Supercheap franchise and found a grommet that looked promising....
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they turned out to be a perfect fit for the 15mm diameter ex carbon canister vent hole, but the center hole was too big for the 6mm B/P probe...... so I had a quick look at my junk and found a piece of clear vacuum hose that squeezed nicely into the grommet, and allowed the B/P sensor to slide through into position.....
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Now that's sorted, waiting for me to burn some fuel weight out of the tank so I can lift it off and plug the module into the loop. All I need to do then is put a zip tie on to secure the probe tip when I finally install it.

Today was supposed to be a breakfast ride but naturally, it has rained (not complaining - we needed it, and got a good 25mm+ overnight :D )..... way down south the forests are still dry and some still on fire.

:lol: .... heard on the news that some tourists have cancelled their holidays because they thought the whole country was on fire....... Australia is a very big Island :lol: ...... similar size as the USA ;) ...... only an area the size of Italy has been torched, and not all in the same spot....... the rest is open for business!
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PS I only ordered my module from Jens at www.boosterplug.com last Tuesday morning and it was delivered to my door on Friday morning...... now where's my MiVV stuff? Coming from Italy by balloon freight? :lol: (Actually - 1st order is due Monday - unless it is unloaded in Melbourne (add 4days to get to Brisbane) or Sydney (+2days to Bn)..... so I hope they fly into my local airport 8-)
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Post by DaveNZ » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:52 am

Italy uses snail mail, I'm sure they strap your order to a snail, and thats once they wake up from afternoon naps.
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Post by pk1 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:49 am

]Dave would thar not get caught with a passengers leg? Sticking out like that I have mine running parallel with the subframe with just a small spacer and zip tie to hold in in place to stop it touching anything.
I’ll take a picture and let you see what I mean.ps new tyres only done 20 miles so no comments on the chicken strips please😂
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Post by Aussie Dave » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:41 pm

Hmmmm, good idea pk1, I'll keep that in mind when I do the final install...... from memory, and the pic, I think it is tucked well away below the body work...... and it doesn't poke out too far..... but I guess it could be struck by an object when the cases are not attached. Damit, I could've saved $7 if I had thought of that method........ I'll go and sulk in the corner for the rest of the day :lol: .

Cheers mate....... if you sent me the rain I got on Friday night - thanks mate! That was a nice 1.5" or more that has softened the ground nicely...... but sadly, only in Brissvegas...... not on the farms out west or down south on the fire grounds.
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Post by Aussie Dave » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:00 pm

G'day DaveNZ....... that might explain why I have a tracking # for the first package, and nothing about the link pipe I ordered on the 4th........ I'm just hoping they haven't stuffed up the 2nd order....... Greece isn't much better, the SAS kit order has been confirmed posted...... then silence....... at least Ebay orders have a progress update tracker to look at :lol: .

I know they will all get here soon....... hope the plane lands in Brisbane, not Melbourne! That's an agonizing wait for another 4days after the goods have landed in the country :roll: but you know my luck...... :lol: .

Bit of a curse being such a big 'country' eh?

Holy Cow Batman...... big volcano in the Philippines has spewed an ash cloud 15kms high....... more CO2 in the atmosphere..... just what we need eh :( .
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Post by DaveNZ » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:50 pm

My Booster plug turned up the other day, been to busy to fit, and this weekend I'm off to a 60th birthday party, so won't be happening for a week or so. :|
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Post by Aussie Dave » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:54 pm

I know the feeling Davo...... I still haven't used up enough fuel to lighten the tank...... I might find some enthusiasm once my pretty muffler arrives, maybe I will buy a 20Ltr jerry can and just drop the fuel out and get on with the install and a test ride.

I've read a couple of comments lately..... one cast doubt about the Boosterplug(?) or competitors(?). The claim was that some engines had burned down (?)...... no details re numbers or whether any failures were caused by incorrect installation(eg temp probe in a hot area or touching the frame and giving a false hotter temp reading) or from other causes (exhaust decats, airboxes, fuel pumps etc).

No direct mention if any failures were from using the 'Boosterplug' module or other versions.... I've not seen anything posted other than good results, so I must discount any unsupported claims and hope like fk it doesn't happen to me :lol: .

I'll try to corner my cousin who is now a F/T KTM mechanic, and has heaps of dyno tuning experience..... maybe he can offer some info once he has settled in to his new role.

Cheers from sweat city (had lots of rain this weekend.... hope it was wide spread and put all the smokey fires out). :)
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Post by DaveNZ » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:51 am

Always horror stories Daveo, some f##kwit probably hooked up something wrong, who knows, best to take note from the guys here that have done it. Well Daveo, home early from 60th, and decided to fit Booster plug, siphoned tank dry, removed everything fitted the booster plug, routed the probe out through the hole left from the removed canister under passenger seat. drilled two small holes and zip tied to plastic housing outside the bike. Fitted bike back together, 10min idle, all done in an hour 30 mins, piece of piss. Did a quick run up the road in just tee shirt and sand shoes, bike felt smooth in sport mode, pulled from 60km in 4th smoothly. But i didn't notice any massive change over the O2 sensor removal kit and dongles. But early days, will get full road gear on when it cools down (27C here today) and give a better summary of how the bike feels. Peace of mind tho knowing now the O2 sensors are working and adjusting in their closed loop system, (well thats how i think it works anyway).Fingers crossed that she runs even better than before and fuel economy returns back to its old self (400 kpt)
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Post by pk1 » Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:32 am

Dave that’s exactly how I fitted mine but I used a small sleeve around the end of the probe to prevent it touching the plastics ,about a 4mm gap between probe and black plastic. It holds it in place nicely.
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Post by DaveNZ » Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:38 pm

Sleeve, thats a great idea PK1, mine does touch the plastic body work, so i can easily cut the zip tie and fit a small piece of tubing just to hold it off the plastic. Cheers bro. :)
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Post by DaveNZ » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:42 pm

Well a bit cooler today so took the GT on one of my much travelled roads. With the Booster connected i wanted see if i notice much difference. Yip i did. the O2 sensor removal kit i had was smoother on constant low throttle, but now once the bike hit 3500-4000 revs she pulls much harder with the booster plug, the bike seems to have more torque around 3500-55000 rev range, so very happy with the new found power the Booster unleashes. Good improvement.
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Post by pk1 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:12 pm

Yep that’s what I find it’s not so smooth at constant throttle as the o2 sensors take over but when you crack the throttle the surge is more noticeable it pulls like a train, roll off around 5.5k then crack the throttle and the front goes light in any gear even 6th.
You should see an improvement in mpg as well due to the o2 sensors being attached again.
I changed my filter to the sprint at the same time as installing but notice a big difference,should maybe have tried one at a time to see which improved it more? But the thought of removing the tank again put me off.
So it has richer fuel and more air =result.
Let’s see what Aussie Dave think?

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Post by Aussie Dave » Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:12 pm

:lol: ...... cheers Pk1 & my NZ cousin,

I've been stirring up a storm over on the aggressive KTM Forum site...... I noticed that Boosterplug FAQ info sheets appear to disagree with Rottweiler terminology....... no one has yet stepped in with a matter of fact explanation.

I'm really pleased to have your feedback..... the more I read over the info sheets from Boosterplug, the more I believe their explanations.......

I'm expecting the de-cat mid pipe today (but it is a p-hol so it may come Tuesday, or not :roll: ). The replacement adaptor tube for the Suono has been promised on fast DHL, so hopefully it will be here in a few days, not 3 weeks like the rest of the gear.

It's quite nice this morning..... damn, I should've suited up and gone for a 5am ride :idea: ...... I'm looking forward to working my way up to your set-up...... I'll ride the GT as it is now, then test the slip-on (no dBkiller)on the cat, then the Booster plug, so I can note each change as I go.

I'll have a think about de-cating & SAS deleting later, but I'll most likely turn to the darkside like you guys and do it ;) ....... but it sure is good to know you guys have done this and had good results!

I've been a slow starter developing my SDGT, but I'll get there, and I have my cousin working for a big KTM dealership, for hot technical advice..... I've got just under 3,000kms to fiddle about with the exhaust before the GT goes in for it's 30k km major service & tune up...... perfect timing for trialing mods and then maybe having them checked on their dyno if it's not too costly ;) .

PS.... started sneezing/runny nose/dry throat on Sunday evening...... OH NO, have I got 'Corona virus'? - but I haven't been to China :o ..... :lol:
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