Hard Suspension

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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby steve59 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:36 am

Thanks for the reply Dave. I'm seeing several new 2016 sdr's in black that my ins ck will cover the cost of and I do have the gtl to keep me company if I decide to wait for a 2017 leftover next spring. The roads I thrash are pretty rough and all the playing around with the suspension didn't make as much difference as letting some air out of the tires!
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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby Aussie Dave » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:53 am

Sorry - I missed the question from Flingit about what tyre pressures I have been running... :oops:

I'm not a track day GP star, but I can get along rapidly if I think I can survive....... and I have been running 33-34psi cold in front and 35-36psi cold rear on the still healthy Angel GT's. I'm always solo (no passenger) and when I put the cases on for a weekender I run 35f 37r without any dramas or excessive wear.....Angels still nice and round at 8,500kms but look past half-life........prob easily get 12,000kms out of them in our climate......maybe even stretch them to the 15,000km scheduled service (then I'll spring for my favourite Michy PR4)... ;)

I see the TPMS calls it 34f 36r just down the street when it reads initially and later when fully hot way down the highway etc it reads 37f & 39r hot. Mad bastards like NZ Dave run 32/32 and if you have seen one of his photo's you'll see why.......(he gets the rubber to melt like a MotoGP tyre).....I am just happy to touch the sides and not hit anything that might hurt... :lol: (found it....over in "teething probs"....pic in 'owner experiences'......) ;)

I have settled on Sport map, Street damping, and 1+luggage spring and the ride for my 82kg weight is spot on :)

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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby DaveNZ » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:45 pm

Aussie Dave wrote:Sorry - I missed the question from Flingit about what tyre pressures I have been running... :oops:

I'm not a track day GP star, but I can get along rapidly if I think I can survive....... and I have been running 33-34psi cold in front and 35-36psi cold rear on the still healthy Angel GT's. I'm always solo (no passenger) and when I put the cases on for a weekender I run 35f 37r without any dramas or excessive wear.....Angels still nice and round at 8,500kms but look past half-life........prob easily get 12,000kms out of them in our climate......maybe even stretch them to the 15,000km scheduled service (then I'll spring for my favourite Michy PR4)... ;)

I see the TPMS calls it 34f 36r just down the street when it reads initially and later when fully hot way down the highway etc it reads 37f & 39r hot. Mad bastards like NZ Dave run 32/32 and if you have seen one of his photo's you'll see why.......(he gets the rubber to melt like a MotoGP tyre).....I am just happy to touch the sides and not hit anything that might hurt... :lol: (found it....over in "teething probs"....pic in 'owner experiences'......) ;)

I have settled on Sport map, Street damping, and 1+luggage spring and the ride for my 82kg weight is spot on :)

Been running 34-36 Dave, hoping to get some more Ks from these tires, I've covered 10,000Ks now and worn out 2 sets of tires, i was hoping to get 5000Ks from these M7RRs, (got 3300) but I'm finding with the soft suspension on these bikes, the tires wear quite rapidly, I'm now fitting a set of Roadtec 01s, heard great reports on these tires, a few of my mates have switched from the PR4s to theses, and like them even better, better every where, cold grip, wet grip and hot fast dry riding. ill give you some feed back after awhile Dave, as i have PR4s on my Multistrada, out with the old, and in with the new.
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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby Aussie Dave » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:30 am

Cheers Dave...... very interested...... even though I'm a Michelin fan, I have been wondering if they are the right choice for a very light, powerful horse like the 1290....... 8-)

I see you have a good supervising technician on hand to keep you out of trouble...... ;)

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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby DaveNZ » Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:40 am

Aussie Dave wrote:Cheers Dave...... very interested...... even though I'm a Michelin fan, I have been wondering if they are the right choice for a very light, powerful horse like the 1290....... 8-)

I see you have a good supervising technician on hand to keep you out of trouble...... ;)

Yip, thats Jono, got him from the pound 3 months back, he's been bloody great, such a good and well trained dog, couldn't believe our luck when he came up for adoption. we had another Staffie before him, but she died while having an operation on her leg, and then this guy came up at the pound, couldn't walk away and leave him there. he's fitted into our lives really well, now a very important part of our family. Here he is the first day we saw him in prison.
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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby Aussie Dave » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:22 am

Yeah.....he's a cutie......our neighbour across the road has a female version......and she looks through their driveway gate into our front door.....so I get regular demands for a quick gateway pat whenever I get sprung hanging around out the front... :lol:

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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby J biker » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:13 pm

Cont road attack 3s. Excellent wear, bit concerned after they ripped up a bit in Germany (see picture) but it was VERY hot and I was pushing to find limits.
Superb quick touring tyres. Will slide at absolute limits, but gentle, no sudden letting go brown trouser moments. Excellent in the wet too. Was waiting for 3 other riders at bottom of Dolomite pass in a thunder storm, honestly confidence inspiring in the wet. (plus my aversion to being on mountains in lightning!!)
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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby J biker » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:15 pm

Btw, the picture is 1st day off the ferry, just in to Eifel park area so just scrubbed in, new set. In fairness can barely tell that they now have another 2300 miles on them.

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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby furndog » Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:06 pm

I'm still in the hard suspension group now after more than 3000 miles. I don't know about this "break in" theory for the forks I've had dozens of bikes and never had to break in the suspension before. There's not that many moving parts in there just doesn't make sense to me. At any rate I'd have to declare my forks as "hard as a rock". Has anyone see full fork travel with these babies? Mine only travel about half way and come up solid. Try as I might and I have I cannot make them compress any further. I've driven around looking for things to run over just to compare the different damping modes. Kind of hard to see but this is what it looks like.
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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby DaveNZ » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:54 pm

furndog wrote:I'm still in the hard suspension group now after more than 3000 miles. I don't know about this "break in" theory for the forks I've had dozens of bikes and never had to break in the suspension before. There's not that many moving parts in there just doesn't make sense to me. At any rate I'd have to declare my forks as "hard as a rock". Has anyone see full fork travel with these babies? Mine only travel about half way and come up solid. Try as I might and I have I cannot make them compress any further. I've driven around looking for things to run over just to compare the different damping modes. Kind of hard to see but this is what it looks like.
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I regularly get 2/3 movement in the forks, and in sports mode i get a little more. (20mm untouched) Sports mode lets the forks dive further under braking, and touring and street mode up the compression under braking to reduce fork dive. For me personally i find the suspension a little too soft, but i tend to use the bike more as a sports bike, if its your touring bike, and your come from (SMT) or other long travel suspended bikes like the Multistrada, it will have a little harshness deep in its travel. i guess they just can't please everybody with suspension settings, but with 3 modes, and variations in those modes you would think theres something for every body. i do say 30% riding in Street mode 1 person, and 70% riding in Sport mode, and often with 1 rider and luggage. (just to get that added preload).
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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby furndog » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:20 pm

DaveNZ wrote:I regularly get 2/3 movement in the forks, and in sports mode i get a little more. (20mm untouched) Sports mode lets the forks dive further under braking, and touring and street mode up the compression under braking to reduce fork dive. .


That seems to be way more travel than I have been able to achieve. There are a couple of pics up in the teething problems thread of some weeping fork seals and those guys clearly have way more travel too. I'm thinking something is not quite right. We'll see, it goes in Wednesday for fork seals a quick shift problem and the starter acting up occasionally
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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby DaveNZ » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:21 pm

furndog wrote:
DaveNZ wrote:I regularly get 2/3 movement in the forks, and in sports mode i get a little more. (20mm untouched) Sports mode lets the forks dive further under braking, and touring and street mode up the compression under braking to reduce fork dive. .


That seems to be way more travel than I have been able to achieve. There are a couple of pics up in the teething problems thread of some weeping fork seals and those guys clearly have way more travel too. I'm thinking something is not quite right. We'll see, it goes in Wednesday for fork seals a quick shift problem and the starter acting up occasionally

Yea, sounds like you may have a problem, there are electronics in the forks, so its highly possible theres a glitch in the valving operation, a question, dose touring mode in suspension feel like a spongy pudding? its my least favourite setting, its just far too soft, prob ok around town or that pot rolled gravel drive way.
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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby furndog » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:24 am

DaveNZ wrote:Yea, sounds like you may have a problem, there are electronics in the forks, so its highly possible theres a glitch in the valving operation, a question, dose touring mode in suspension feel like a spongy pudding? its my least favourite setting, its just far too soft, prob ok around town or that pot rolled gravel drive way.

Last time it was in they re-flashed some of the cpu's couldn't really tell if it did any good but at least the MTC hasn't reared its ugly head again. There is no soft to these forks they are hard and jarring to the point where I dare not loosen my grip. I'd settle for spongy pudding what's that taste like?
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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby Aussie Dave » Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:28 am

G'day all,

Had a nice smooth breakfast ride today......nothing to bragg about....the LAW was out and about so I wuz good :lol:

Just checked my forks and I see 70mm range before dusty unused section.

I leave mine on Sport engine map, 1+luggage spring and street damping for every day riding but would probably select sport damping for more vigorous efforts when not being supervised .... ;)

I'd say my NZ brother is spot-on - if you are not seeing similar ordinary fork travel to mine.....valving not allowing the 4wt fork oil to flow = harsh ride. I was impressed how "nice" mine was this morning while I was behaving and had time to ponder stuff like this .... :lol:

I'd be pissed off if the ride was overly harsh......we have bumps on top of bumps here in the south east of Queensland Au-bloody-stralia.. :roll:

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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby OldGit60 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:36 pm

furndog wrote:I'm still in the hard suspension group now after more than 3000 miles. I don't know about this "break in" theory for the forks I've had dozens of bikes and never had to break in the suspension before. There's not that many moving parts in there just doesn't make sense to me. At any rate I'd have to declare my forks as "hard as a rock". Has anyone see full fork travel with these babies? Mine only travel about half way and come up solid. Try as I might and I have I cannot make them compress any further. I've driven around looking for things to run over just to compare the different damping modes. Kind of hard to see but this is what it looks like.
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Hi Furndog,
Don't know if you've checked out some of the other threads, but your issues sound familiar - maybe check out the posts by myself and a few others on "teething issues", especially from Albert in NL - about page 8 onwards. Might help you a bit with front fork issues.
Quickshifter seems a bit hit and miss, mine is pretty much useless so I've turned it off permanently, others like it so maybe some adjustment needed.
The only real answer, I reckon anyway, is set it on sport, wring it's neck and keep your body weight on the foot pegs if the going is a bit bumpy - stops the spine shattering experience when you hit a undulation.

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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby J biker » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:26 pm

Given up and gone back to R1200GS. It actually handles better.

Sale not purely down to front forks (comfort related due to injuries) but I do think the way the GT stands up mid corner if you hit bumps mid corner is border line dangerous. Only an issue if you push on but FFS that is whole 'raison d'être' of this bike!
Researched rebuilds etc. but there seems to be a lack of knowledge out there with suspension specialists re: WP electronic suspension.
This bike would be soooo good on Ohlins with a manual setup, instead of barely even average from a handling point of view. Not even in the same ball park as a well sorted FZ1s from 2008. What a shame, but my Yam would run circles around this bike. My S1000r would piss all over it, and some. KTM NEED to resolve this especially considering the hugely premium price. Note that a similar spec Mutistrada has a whole raft of fine tuning options for rebound and damping in the set up menu, and S1000r can be set up manually for sag/preload. Makes a huge difference.

Not wanting to rain on anyones parade here, its still an awesome bike. But it falls seriously short of its potential. :roll:

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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby Aussie Dave » Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:24 am

Commiserations to J Biker........ hope the R1200GS puts a smile on your face.....I like the look of them and they make plenty of power tooo 8-) .

My friends have MS1200 DVT's but they all paid $6kAus more for them than my Gt so nice as it is to have extra suspension adjustment, it costs a lot more.....have to say I wish we all had Ohlins....maybe in time the suspension tuners will have some good ideas ready for us....

Interestingly, I just read in 'AMCN' that BMW has recently issued a major recall on the GS for a front suspension problem that it was trying to deal with as bikes came in for servicing........... :shock:

Oh, I just fumbled the starter after breakfast down at the KTM shop......starter gears were not happy with me....all my fault, thumb slipped off at 2/3's of normal press of button..... :oops: ......ahh, the sneaky wheelie I surprised myself with later put a smile on my face......honestly, I wasn't even trying, must have got everything just right as I took off from the traffic lights.....then the bars twitched as the wheel touched down 8-).. :lol:

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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby DaveNZ » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:52 am

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furndog wrote:I'm still in the hard suspension group now after more than 3000 miles. I don't know about this "break in" theory for the forks I've had dozens of bikes and never had to break in the suspension before. There's not that many moving parts in there just doesn't make sense to me. At any rate I'd have to declare my forks as "hard as a rock". Has anyone see full fork travel with these babies? Mine only travel about half way and come up solid. Try as I might and I have I cannot make them compress any further. I've driven around looking for things to run over just to compare the different damping modes. Kind of hard to see but this is what it looks like.
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Hi Furndog,
Don't know if you've checked out some of the other threads, but your issues sound familiar - maybe check out the posts by myself and a few others on "teething issues", especially from Albert in NL - about page 8 onwards. Might help you a bit with front fork issues.
Quickshifter seems a bit hit and miss, mine is pretty much useless so I've turned it off permanently, others like it so maybe some adjustment needed.
The only real answer, I reckon anyway, is set it on sport, wring it's neck and keep your body weight on the foot pegs if the going is a bit bumpy - stops the spine shattering experience when you hit a undulation.

Oldgit60, your KTM service guys should be able to sort your quick shifter out, apparently they can be fine tuned, (parameters adjusted) i had mine adjusted, it works like a charm now.
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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby J biker » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:51 am

Good to hear the QS can be fine tuned, hit a couple of false neutrals when really nailing the bike in Austria (coming back from Stelvio to Vipiteno..). Not a huge biggy but unpleasant when timing it for oncoming traffic. An inexperienced biker might panic though.

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Re: Hard Suspension

Postby DaveNZ » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:11 pm

J biker wrote:Good to hear the QS can be fine tuned, hit a couple of false neutrals when really nailing the bike in Austria (coming back from Stelvio to Vipiteno..). Not a huge biggy but unpleasant when timing it for oncoming traffic. An inexperienced biker might panic though.

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