Geez, I've had no "teething problems"......

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Re: Geez, I've had no "teething problems"......

Post by AllanP » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:53 pm

In 3200miles/5120km I've had the following problems:

Front forks chattering as I pull to a standstill, MTC fail, quick shifter fail, pannier lids huge gap, not water proof, cruise control fail, fuel pump fail warning, engine won't turn over when the starter is pressed, oil weep from the front forks and it sometimes makes a loud noise when the starter button is pressed but that does not seem to be linked to the failure to turn the engine over.

This list counts as more than just "teething" troubles...............my bike needs dentures :D

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Geez, I've had no "teething problems"......

Post by MR C » Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:44 pm

AllanP wrote:
This list counts as more than just "teething" troubles...............my bike needs dentures :D
Strange how a bike can have so many issues and others not ! This is not typical to just one manufacture, Ducati - BMW all premium makes have the same problems, I wonder why this happens ? Surely can't be related to the person whom assembles the bike, I presume a production line will have several bods assembling the same bike and not just one.

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Post by Tancakar » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:12 am

MR C wrote:
AllanP wrote:
This list counts as more than just "teething" troubles...............my bike needs dentures :D
Strange how a bike can have so many issues and others not ! This is not typical to just one manufacture, Ducati - BMW all premium makes have the same problems, I wonder why this happens ? Surely can't be related to the person whom assembles the bike, I presume a production line will have several bods assembling the same bike and not just one.
again i will say this , its something to do with the quality control line, human can do mistakes and when there is a second person checking it the mistakes will be solved but if that person doesn't check all the bikes and just checked a few bikes on the production line that's where the quality control lags.This mainly happens in European factories.

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Re: Geez, I've had no "teething problems"......

Post by MR C » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:47 pm

Tancakar wrote:
MR C wrote:
AllanP wrote:
This list counts as more than just "teething" troubles...............my bike needs dentures :D
Strange how a bike can have so many issues and others not ! This is not typical to just one manufacture, Ducati - BMW all premium makes have the same problems, I wonder why this happens ? Surely can't be related to the person whom assembles the bike, I presume a production line will have several bods assembling the same bike and not just one.
its something to do with the quality control line, human can do mistakes and when there is a second person checking it the mistakes will be solved but if that person doesn't check all the bikes.
So what day is a good day to get a build ! Monday and Friday being the worse ! or pot luck !

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Re: Geez, I've had no "teething problems"......

Post by AllanP » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:08 pm

In the case of my bike, there may be another cause. All of the things I reported did happen, but the MTC, quick shifter and cruise control where put right after the exhaust valve servo motor was replaced. What the hell has a servo motor on the exhaust got to do with cruise control?

KTM certainly have quality control issues, but they also appear to have issues with the design stability of the software in the control systems. When one system has issues, it takes down other systems which appear to be entirely unconnected. This is bad now but it may be able to be addressed with future software fixes which hopefully will reduce the overall instability.

Cars can now have over 100 million lines of software code in them to control the various functions. Bikes are nowhere near as complex, but get more software dependent at every iteration. Manufacturers integrate software controlled subsystems developed by other manufacturers into their products such as Bosch ABS, but this is not just a bolt-on. It’s extremely difficult to get these various subsystems to work together and also difficult to isolate the parts when they fail to stop them affecting other systems.

These are early days for the level of control sophistication we have on the SD-GT and KTM do not have anywhere near the development capability of the Japanese manufacturers. I’ve had many more issues with my 2016 SD-GT in 2.5-months than I did with my 2008 SD 990 in 4-years, some of this is mechanical, but a lot is software related. The upside, is that KTM may add patches to the software on an on-going basis and our bikes may improve. In order for this to happen however, we need to make plenty of noise so that KTM cannot ignore it!!

To address Mr. C’s point. Some bikes will have more problems than others for the same reason that some people will lose more money in Las Vegas. In my case however, I think it’s also clear that I got some of the problems that were intended for Aussie Dave’s bike and I think the very least he could do is buy me a beer for taking this on for him :D

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Re: Geez, I've had no "teething problems"......

Post by Tancakar » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:49 pm

well what ever we say not important till we see the coming years. I never seen a 50.000 miles ktm yet but there are a few i guess. As a consumer i am slightly worried to keep the bike after the warranty runs out, and this is tells anyone that there is problems. Ktm isnt worry about it, sales are good , new bikes coming good so no worries there, but there will be a point one will stuck.

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Re: Geez, I've had no "teething problems"......

Post by DaveNZ » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:15 am

Tancakar wrote:well what ever we say not important till we see the coming years. I never seen a 50.000 miles ktm yet but there are a few i guess. As a consumer i am slightly worried to keep the bike after the warranty runs out, and this is tells anyone that there is problems. Ktm isnt worry about it, sales are good , new bikes coming good so no worries there, but there will be a point one will stuck.
Theres plenty of 990 SDs down here that have done well over 100,000Ks and many track days, and i know of 2 1290s with more than 50,000Ks . But we ride all year round
2016 1290GT-remus link and muffler, 2010 Black 1200 Multistrada full Termi system with mapping, 2005 SMR 640, full Titanium system, Mikuni flatside racing carb, 2 sets of wheels, 18 litre tank, and a nice soft seat.

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Re: Geez, I've had no "teething problems"......

Post by AllanP » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:41 am

DaveNZ wrote:
Tancakar wrote:well what ever we say not important till we see the coming years. I never seen a 50.000 miles ktm yet but there are a few i guess. As a consumer i am slightly worried to keep the bike after the warranty runs out, and this is tells anyone that there is problems. Ktm isnt worry about it, sales are good , new bikes coming good so no worries there, but there will be a point one will stuck.
Theres plenty of 990 SDs down here that have done well over 100,000Ks and many track days, and i know of 2 1290s with more than 50,000Ks . But we ride all year round
I have a friend in California who has 80K miles on a 2008 990SD and its still going.

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Re: Geez, I've had no "teething problems"......

Post by Tancakar » Fri Apr 14, 2017 10:20 pm

that's good i wasn't aware of this

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Re: Geez, I've had no "teething problems"......

Post by Aussie Dave » Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:52 am

Hi all, just prepped the GT for an early morning breakfast ride with a couple of Ducati riders and spotted my coolant reservoir level was down to the 'min' mark....it had been topped up to max when the coolant hose was replaced, so I thought, ok, maybe it is just some air gaps that last weekend's trip had sorted out.....but I've got to say that the rubber seal in the reservoir cap is really a crappy little thing which looks to be a poor fit..... it would be my prime suspect if I notice the coolant level drop again in the next couple of weeks... ;)
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Re: Geez, I've had no "teething problems"......

Post by AllanP » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:14 am

Mine's low too but the engine temp has never budged from the middle of the range. Perhaps its bust :D

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Re: Geez, I've had no "teething problems"......

Post by Aussie Dave » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:01 pm

Coolant level ok after todays 300k ride. Forks might just be working the WD40 I used as cleaner/wet-n-dry lube out, as they are not as weepy as before....(just clocked 4,200kms)

Most new bikes just need a little 'fettling' over the first few weeks.....and the new owner has a whole lot to learn about this new generation of hi-tech whizbangerey.....so to do the dealers and service tech's...poor bastards have to get their hands dirty as well as learn a science degree's worth of programming...... :lol:

I've seen all this before on other forum's where new owners go through a rough patch before the dealer gets the bike sorted......but branding the entire production run as poor/bad/rotten/no good etc is too much...

Best to work with the dealership and get a result then go from there......hell, i commented on a crook looking coolant hose, and new readers are now putting the hoses on their 'must check' list before buying a new Gt......gotta be so careful putting words to pap.....errrr...screen.......

Here's one.....I glued the rear reflector on to the tail structure after reading a comment about a lost reflector.

5 mins work.. it'll never come loose now.... :lol:

Happy to post that my GT does not consume any oil, starts first press everytime, makes Ducati-like noises and goes like fek when I give it some welly........it also handles very nicely in the role i use it for (sports touring with luggage).......I didn't buy it for track use so I can't comment on it's ability to handle extreme throttle usage.....so I'm a happy little critter......should be even happier now I've re-mounted my dash so the Aussie Autumn sun doesn't flash in my eyes after 11am.... :lol:

Ps I still haven't seen anything from Japan that fits my specs.......MT10 was a possible, but fuel tank too small, and it's too ugly.......most of the rest are same.....or just not enough CC's to interest me, so it's Euro or No-go, until Honda/Yamaha/Suzuki/Kawasaki wake up..... ;)
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Re: Geez, I've had no "teething problems"......

Post by Rockbyter » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:17 pm

Good to here you're sorting it out. Another thing they addressed on SA S, under the fancy dash is a little lever like on a car steering column. Unlock it and you can swivel the dash up and down to a position that suits.
There are also nice plastic guards over the USD forks to prevent or at least reduce any grit or other items hitting them.

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Re: Geez, I've had no "teething problems"......

Post by Aussie Dave » Tue May 02, 2017 9:13 am

G'day Rocky!

Glad you've got your SA-S.....it really is the bike of the decade....KTM is listening and acting on feedback!

You'll notice they get better and better with more miles.....can be a bit rough while they run in and loosen up.

Just keep the revs in that sweet spot above 4500rpms and hang on.. :lol:

Ps I'm so envious - adjustable dash, centre stand, TFT screen....... :mrgreen:

My 'Roughasgutsengineering' mod to my dash works great = no more Autumn dash-flash for me! ;)
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Re: Geez, I've had no "teething problems"......

Post by Rockbyter » Tue May 02, 2017 6:15 pm

Still only 400 miles on it due to weather. Gave it a bit of a fistful in third and was surprised by the front wheel lifting at around 8k, certainly has plenty of power. Dealer did say to give it a blast through the gears every now and then but not to hold it there.

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Re: Geez, I've had no "teething problems"......

Post by Aussie Dave » Fri May 05, 2017 8:03 am

Hi Rocky, that front wheel coming up is probably well controlled by the anti wheelie electronics. I'd be careful with the thing if and when you try the "off" settings........I've got 5000kms on my GT now.....should've had over 7000km but I had to cancel out of the big ZigZag tour and put my back into the chain gang at work.....phew!

That's done now, but at least I got away with the Ducati Club last weekend.....for an 800km zing up to the high country (Tenterfield), for their 40th anniversary 'Bevel & Bullshit' ride......great fun!

I changed my oil when I got back, but it looked like it would have easily lasted till 7,500kms (just like the head mechanic at my KTM dealership said.... :lol: )......I'm running semi synthetic 15w50 Motorex 4T because they are Motorex dealers.......otherwise I would have gone with Motul 5100 10w50 but WTF.....it works, and my GT has used zero oil over 5000kms.....so I'm :D


Ps I haven't got around to turning anything 'off' yet (except for the DRL - as I want my headlight on 100% in Aussie traffic.....due to the bright harsh sun we have here.....and the blind killers in cars & trucks). But I will give it a try one day......I'm just so pleased with it in standard trim that I haven't felt the need to change anything.. ;)
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Re: Geez, I've had no "teething problems"......

Post by Rockbyter » Fri May 05, 2017 8:42 pm

thing that I have noticed is that the oil looks like it just came out of the bottle.

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