Ktm 1190 vs Ducati Multistrada 1200S

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Ktm 1190 vs Ducati Multistrada 1200S

Post by Marius » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:26 pm

Hi Gents

I am looking to buy an Adventure bike with very good road capabilities as I will use it 80% on road and some 20% for a light off road trips (country off roads but no mud)

I am really in a big question mark between buying a KTM 1190 Adv 2016 or 1090 2017 Model and Ducati Multistrada 1200S 2016. I ve tested KTM 1190 and Ducati for a 30 minutes drive each and I was impressed by both. KTM 1190 by its combination of precision and sporty behaviour, by its breakes and gear box switch and Ducati by its shape, seat confort, electronically controled suspension and by DVT system.

I am not really a specialist in motorbikes and only started to love them about 3 years ago when I was 43yo.

I would really apreciate any advise from you which one of the 3 should I go for (KTM 1190 2016, 1090 2017 or Ducati MTS1200S). Please note my 1st criteria will be reliability, safety and sporty (but not supersport) behaviour (not nexesary the power but rather the engine reaction to gas input and maneuvrability). All 3 of the same level of importance. I would also pay attention to a reasonable confort while driving. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Ktm 1190 vs Ducati Multistrada 1200S

Post by Dutchgixxer » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:38 pm

I have just traded in my ducati multistrada and bought a KTM SA 1290 -s. My opionion is that both KTM and MTS are very closed to each other. But the MTS is more road use biased. Maintanance of a ducati is more expensive than for a ktm. Reliabiliti for both is compareable. I had some issues during the warranty period.
Go out for a longer test ride and make up your mind.

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Re: Ktm 1190 vs Ducati Multistrada 1200S

Post by Marius » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:08 pm

Thanks for your feed back.
I did 2nd ride test on MTS and its beautiful and super fast., I would say maybe too fast for me. I finaly got used with the break force distribution front vs rear and I actually think Ducati has put a lot of high tech on the safe driving. However I was realy impresed by the KTM 1190 2016 with its power delivery which in street mode is very suitable for me. I also like a lot the gear switch.
However I want a slimer KTM and thrrefore I am thinking of the new 1090 Adventure 2017 but unfortunately the dealers arround me dont have it available for riding. They said its built on similar spec as the 1190 so I hope it will be similar in smoothness and confort on street mode and about 25 hp less I dont care too much since my style its not realy for 150hp. The price is also excelent. If someone have any experience on KTM1090 I would realy apreciate any info. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Ktm 1190 vs Ducati Multistrada 1200S

Post by J biker » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:33 pm

Had a 2013 Multistrada and covered 15k. Lovely bike and it got well used, spoilt a bit by poor quality components IMO. Fasteners, chain, exhaust all corrode faster than other bikes I have owned. Had one or two small issues that were sorted by Ducati without hassle. The exhaust is poor quality steel compared to stainless (on the GT). Servicing and parts are expensive. Personally I wouldnt take the MTS off road (even dirt road). Things like the plastic indicator/mirror combination are flimsy. Mine was cracked just from a stone chip in road use.
IF doing a lot of two up work all on tarmac, then the Multi might be the weapon of choice for comfort.

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Re: Ktm 1190 vs Ducati Multistrada 1200S

Post by Marius » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:11 pm

Thanks a lot J biker,

I have read similar things about poor components on MTS and realy concerned on this aspect since the price is high. This is the main reason which make me think 100 times before deciding to buy it. 2nd it maybe too fast for me but I think I ll get used with this.
How about your experience regarding the fiability on the mechanical parts: engine, transmision etc?
I would apreciate your further comment on this. Thanks.

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Re: Ktm 1190 vs Ducati Multistrada 1200S

Post by J biker » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:31 pm

I had no major failures, always started. Engine is superb, gearbox nice once run in (few false neutrals at first).

Heated grips packed in. Replaced under warranty.

Routing of front brake cables rubbed against fork tube, took anodising off. Replaced under warranty and re routed with clip/fastener.

Waiting to board ferry for a Euro trip and the engine temperature just kept climbing. Issue with fan not switching on. So down through Germany, Switzerland and Northern Italy with ambient temperature going up...I was having to switch off the engine in any sort of stationary traffic. Not great. This was two up with luggage just for more fun. Oddly, on the way back up through Austria it decided to work! Never happened again.

My MTS was a base model. Front suspension not great so invested in Andriani fork internals which improved things. Still had a high speed weave, which was commented on by someone following on a Fireblade on a trackday. I do ride bikes a bit harder than most on the road to be fair.

Fasteners round off very easily.

Two friends with earlier model 1200s have both had replacement instrument panels. One of the bikes was recently sold due to 'strange' engine vibration and slight power loss. None of the bikes had done more than 20k

Probably not much different to BMW, KTM?? That said I have had zero issues with a S1000r or R1200gslc. Hope the 1290GT that replaced them is as good.

If you want a fast comfy two up capable touring bike it makes sense, on the condition that the bike is under warranty IMO. From what I have seen it may well be needed.

BTW, Im not a fan of keyless technology, just asking for a breakdown miles from home and there are plenty reports of that happening on BMWs and Ducatis. What is the problem with using a key?

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Re: Ktm 1190 vs Ducati Multistrada 1200S

Post by Marius » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:17 pm

Thanks a lot for your feed back.

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Re: Ktm 1190 vs Ducati Multistrada 1200S

Post by Gimlet » Sat May 13, 2017 8:30 am

Probably a little late to this thread but as a Ducati (Streetfighter) and a KTM owner, my opinion for what its worth is I'd have the 1190 every time. Too many problems with Multis. Seems to be a gamble. Some are trouble-free, others are horror stories and IMO even a good one is not a viable high mileage bike. Out of warranty things can get very expensive. Ducati parts and servicing, in the UK at least, are by a wide margin the most expensive of any make and Ducati are not particularly helpful and they aren't good at supporting older models no longer in production. You don't see many high mileage Multis, but I've seen several 1190 and RC8s that have racked up very high miles with no serious problems.

KTM are a bit bureaucratic as a company but their parts supply is excellent and their prices are generally very good. Servicing costs are considerably cheaper than Ducati in the UK.
On the road I think the 1190 handles better than any of the Multis. It feels lighter, more agile and more composed. The electronics are excellent even now after other manufacturers have caught up with KTM's lead and makes the 1190 one of the most secure bikes to ride fast. My only criticism is wheel size. I'd have preferred 17" wheels on the standard model and a better tyre choice, but saying that, the grip available form the OE tyres is still amazing even if they don't talk to you quite like sports rubber. It just messes with my head slightly coming from sports tyres that the 1190 can corner like it does.
The seat isn't the best and the screen is dreadful but those things can be fixed at small cost.

I don't think the 1190 is faster than the Multi but like most KTMs it feels faster than it is because of its general eagerness and the rabid power delivery in middle and upper range. But its smooth, friendly and manageable low down. The fuelling is excellent and no one who thinks 150 bhp is maybe more than they need should be put off. And they're dirt cheap now. I just bought a 2015 1190 with under 3000 miles on the clock form a dealer for £9K. Its brand new.

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