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2014 1190 R

Post by Sweetwater » Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:20 am

OK, I snapped up a low mileage Adventure R from the east coast and had it shipped west to Utah. I'm very happy with the deal, the bike and how the transaction proceeded. I got invaluable help and assistance at reasonable prices from both B&E Motorsports in Maryland and Hanover Powersports in New Jersey. The bike has many added accessories and one that's required, it got an early Unifilter to replace the stock filter. I've searched hi and lo to find this issue in earlier RC8's without success. So, I'm hoping to hear from this forum if that has been a known issue. In the '13 and '14 1190 Adventure line, "dusted motors" is the term that scares us. The early reports showed dirt getting past the filter and into the intakes, the '14s had a redesign but still seem to be developing the problem. One local 1190R got dusted just a couple weeks ago with 7-8k miles and stock air filter. It lost compression and would not start while out on tour. Have there been previous airbox issues with this engine line? Have there been engine failures requiring top end rebuilds due to loss of compression? If anyone has any insights, I'd like to hear about them or read the reports......Whatcha got?

BTW, here's a teaser on my bike......

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Re: 2014 1190 R

Post by kevxtx » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:26 am

I would fit a Rotweiler & be done with the standard air box.

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Re: 2014 1190 R

Post by Sweetwater » Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:44 pm

Unifilter does the job and is fitted on my bike. The question is whether there have been similar issues throughout the RC8 line. I'm familiar with LC4 and LC8 motors having owned bikes in both lines but this is my first RC8. It's not very confident to learn of such a broad based problem. Most reports have KTM honoring the warranty and rebuilding the motor but the R only gets a year....

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Re: 2014 1190 R

Post by kevxtx » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:19 pm

There are have been problems with the 1190 Adventure's at the filter end + the air box seal, KTM redesigned the air box with a supporting bridge to support the air filter to stop dirt entry, but there have been reported cases of dust entry past the lid seal on the latest air boxes.

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Re: 2014 1190 R

Post by JJay51 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:33 pm

I did a lot of reading on the 1190 adventures since they came out so know about the air filter issue.
I bought a used 2014 'R' last month when i say used it had 60 miles on the clock, apparently the first owner bought it, fitted a touring screen, rode it for a day and brought it back saying he didn't like it :lol:
I've always wanted an 1190 adv in whatever guise it may have been so this fell in my lap and i bought it without even riding it same as every other bike i've had :D
Ordered a unifilter kit straight away, fitted sat nav, ordered daytona heated grips cheaper than the powerparts ones by £100 (same make as ktm)
Even though the filter issues are mainly down to riding offroad in hot dusty places something we're a bit sparse in here in blighty :roll:
Its still piece of mind as i do intend doing some offroad as i do miss my old dirt days :)

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Re: 2014 1190 R

Post by nick280 » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:37 pm

I have a 2014 Adventure and had read about the air box issues but thought it was sorted on later bikes. Reading this, it possibly isn't. Might have to look into an upgrade sooner rather than when wanted :(
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Re: 2014 1190 R

Post by 1coolbanana » Thu May 14, 2015 8:57 am

Whatever year you have, get the Unifilter.
Its absolutely essential regardless of whether you ride on the road or dirt if you plan on having it long term.

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Re: 2014 1190 R

Post by Roadhawg » Sat Jun 06, 2015 4:25 pm

What would you guys reckon a "safe" mileage is to buy a used bike with the stock airbox?

I just went through the whole ordeal of buying a used 1190 with 14000kms on, opening it up, finding an absolute mess inside the airbox and returning it to the dealer for a refund (still waiting for my money though!)

Now I love the bike but want to find one that I know hasn't been damaged. Think 1000kms would be safe?
7000?

I'm going to try inspect any prospective bike to see if it's been offroad but it's not always possible to tell 100%

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Post by JJay51 » Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:53 pm

I opened mine up at 1000 miles and found light dust (see airbox topic for pics) but i suspect a fair bit of it was maybe oil vapour deposits from the breather.

If you wanted to check if a bike has been used offroad take some long swab sticks with you, stick it in the ram intakes and swab away :mrgreen:

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Re: 2014 1190 R

Post by Roadhawg » Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:27 pm

JJay51 wrote:I opened mine up at 1000 miles and found light dust (see airbox topic for pics) but i suspect a fair bit of it was maybe oil vapour deposits from the breather.

If you wanted to check if a bike has been used offroad take some long swab sticks with you, stick it in the ram intakes and swab away :mrgreen:
I think the seller would tell me to piss off when I start removing the tank covers :mrgreen:

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Post by JJay51 » Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:59 pm

You dont need to take the tank covers off, stick it down the honeycomb covers at the front :D

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Re: 2014 1190 R

Post by Sweetwater » Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:58 pm

Now that a bit of time has gone by.....these bikes are outstanding with a few issues.....the primary one is so well known and true of any KTM with a stock paper filter.....there is too much dust let in even if the edges are sealed. The absolute known solution is simple...replace that stock filter ASAP with an oiled, foam filter. I did it with my 690, my 990, my 1190 and my new 690 R. If you look at a used bike of any mileage and this is not done, you need a warranty to cover the expense of "dusted engine syndrome". I now know too many incidents to dispute this as a fact. After that, issues are rare and I haven't witnessed any others....Keep the rubber side down.....

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Re: 2014 1190 R

Post by nick280 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:09 pm

I've yet to inspect my air box but living in Northern England where the air is rarely dry I can't see anything other than condensation being in there lol.

How long does it take to open up the air box?
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Re: 2014 1190 R

Post by JJay51 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:24 pm

Dont forget i live in wales and i had dust in mine, albeit fine dust but still some when there should be none.
To be honest i've had the tank off mine about 4 times now between fitting the unifilter and fixing the leaking fuel taps and each time it gets easier, people[moan theres lots of screws, yes there are a few but its not exactly hard work with a torx screwdriver, just be sure to get the fuel in the tank down to about 60mile range before taking it off as it can be heavy and awkward.
If i can offer one piece of advice it is to pay the money and go the powercell route from zen overland in the uk rather than the unifilter as its a more exact fix, mounting direct to the intakes of the throttle bodies thus eliminating the airbox altogether whereas i still have reservations if the uni is doing the job on the shit airbox lid.

I can probably get the tank off in about 15 minutes

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