Anybody running 20w50 amsoil

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Anybody running 20w50 amsoil

Post by steve59 » Sun Jun 19, 2016 4:03 pm

So it's the best I can find do you guys think it will be allright for summertime use?
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Re: Anybody running 20w50 amsoil

Post by xtremewlr » Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:10 pm

https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/ ... e=MCFQT-EA

If you can find the 20w50, you should be able to find this stuff too. Ask the dealer that you are getting it from. 20w50 would be a bit too thick IMO. More chance for a collapsed oil filter.

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Re: Anybody running 20w50 amsoil

Post by xtremewlr » Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:11 pm

If you can find this, you might also consider it. Mobil 1 is a good oil as well.

https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/mobi ... rcycle-oil

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Re: Anybody running 20w50 amsoil

Post by 1290 » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:12 am

Just use Motorex Power Synth 10/40 expensive but the best. Old Ozzy saying Oils aint oils Sol.

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Re: Anybody running 20w50 amsoil

Post by Bootworks » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:38 pm

Should be able to get 'AmSoil Metric Motorcycle 10-40' easily enough. I've used it for years but I have absolutely no first hand evidence that it is better (or worse) than anything else out there.

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Re: Anybody running 20w50 amsoil

Post by xtremewlr » Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:22 pm

1290 wrote:Just use Motorex Power Synth 10/40 expensive but the best. Old Ozzy saying Oils aint oils Sol.
No, it's not "the best". There are other options out there that are just as good.

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Re: Anybody running 20w50 amsoil

Post by 1290 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:49 am

Well its whats recomended, name whats beta for the Supa Duke.

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Re: Anybody running 20w50 amsoil

Post by xtremewlr » Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:38 pm

1290 wrote:Well its whats recomended, name whats beta for the Supa Duke.
It's what's pushed by KTM because they have a deal with Motorex. Any JASO MA rated full synthetic oil will work just fine. I'm running Shell Rotella T6 5w40 in my bike right now and it runs great.

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Re: Anybody running 20w50 amsoil

Post by 1290 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:48 am

So that would be the same as Ferrari and Ducati having tires with Shell.

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Re: Anybody running 20w50 amsoil

Post by Bootworks » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:35 am

Oil is oil. Havent heard of any engine failures because of the brand of oil. But we riders seem to be superstitious, change it more often than needed and talk about pros and cons. Your engine doesn't care as long as it's spec.

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Post by Gary » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:25 am

Bootworks wrote:Oil is oil. Havent heard of any engine failures because of the brand of oil. But we riders seem to be superstitious, change it more often than needed and talk about pros and cons. Your engine doesn't care as long as it's spec.
xtremewlr wrote:
1290 wrote:Well its whats recomended, name whats beta for the Supa Duke.
It's what's pushed by KTM because they have a deal with Motorex. Any JASO MA rated full synthetic oil will work just fine. I'm running Shell Rotella T6 5w40 in my bike right now and it runs great.
Make sure the oils you use do not have zinc additives. It is not easy to find. You're might need to contact the manufacturer.

Zinc additives are actually pretty useful, but apparently our engines have silver bearings, which Zinc chemically reacts with and degrades. Not good.

Somebody did (I believe for an amsoil but not totally sure) and it did have Zinc additives and the manufacturer did not recommend it for engines with silver bearings.

Better safe than sorry.

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Re: RE: Re: Anybody running 20w50 amsoil

Post by Gary » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:25 am

Double post...
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Re: Anybody running 20w50 amsoil

Post by Marki » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:04 am

That is why you get oil with the correct spec. If you get JASO MA it will not have zinc in it. It isn't so much for bearings by the way rather zinc will kill the catalytic converter.

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Re: RE: Re: Anybody running 20w50 amsoil

Post by xtremewlr » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:17 am

Gary wrote:
Bootworks wrote:Oil is oil. Havent heard of any engine failures because of the brand of oil. But we riders seem to be superstitious, change it more often than needed and talk about pros and cons. Your engine doesn't care as long as it's spec.
1290 wrote:Well its whats recomended, name whats beta for the Supa Duke.
xtremewlr wrote:It's what's pushed by KTM because they have a deal with Motorex. Any JASO MA rated full synthetic oil will work just fine. I'm running Shell Rotella T6 5w40 in my bike right now and it runs great.
Make sure the oils you use do not have zinc additives. It is not easy to find. You're might need to contact the manufacturer.

Zinc additives are actually pretty useful, but apparently our engines have silver bearings, which Zinc chemically reacts with and degrades. Not good.

Somebody did (I believe for an amsoil but not totally sure) and it did have Zinc additives and the manufacturer did not recommend it for engines with silver bearings.

Better safe than sorry.
Gary, I've asked you this question before. Where are you getting the information that our bearings are silver? Motorex has as much zinc in it as any other oil brand. So you argument there is invalid.

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Post by Gary » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:32 pm

xtremewlr wrote:
Gary wrote:
Bootworks wrote:Oil is oil. Havent heard of any engine failures because of the brand of oil. But we riders seem to be superstitious, change it more often than needed and talk about pros and cons. Your engine doesn't care as long as it's spec.
1290 wrote:Well its whats recomended, name whats beta for the Supa Duke.
xtremewlr wrote:It's what's pushed by KTM because they have a deal with Motorex. Any JASO MA rated full synthetic oil will work just fine. I'm running Shell Rotella T6 5w40 in my bike right now and it runs great.
Make sure the oils you use do not have zinc additives. It is not easy to find. You're might need to contact the manufacturer.

Zinc additives are actually pretty useful, but apparently our engines have silver bearings, which Zinc chemically reacts with and degrades. Not good.

Somebody did (I believe for an amsoil but not totally sure) and it did have Zinc additives and the manufacturer did not recommend it for engines with silver bearings.

Better safe than sorry.
Gary, I've asked you this question before. Where are you getting the information that our bearings are silver? Motorex has as much zinc in it as any other oil brand. So you argument there is invalid.
KTM tech service told me first, and I verified from multiple sources. I researched it a lot before the first oil change, but I can't give specific links at the moment. How did you learn that Motorex has zinc additives in it?

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Post by xtremewlr » Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:15 pm

Gary wrote:
xtremewlr wrote:Gary, I've asked you this question before. Where are you getting the information that our bearings are silver? Motorex has as much zinc in it as any other oil brand. So you argument there is invalid.
KTM tech service told me first, and I verified from multiple sources. I researched it a lot before the first oil change, but I can't give specific links at the moment. How did you learn that Motorex has zinc additives in it?
I did some google searching and found several oil analysis charts for Motorex done by Blackstone labs. I also now have the oil analysis done by Blackstone for the oil out of my SDR from the very first change with the factory oil in it, which is standard Motorex 10w40. The zinc parts per million is in the same ball park as most other full synthetics.

Here is my analysis sheet. You can see the zinc ppm is 1192 and the universal average is 1167 ppm. The Rotella T6 I'm running I have seen analysis sheets showing zinc ppm ranging from 1148 in used oil to 1262 ppm from a virgin oil sample.

I should have another sample being sent out from the oil currently in my bike in the next week or 2 so we can compare it to the Motorex.

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Re: Anybody running 20w50 amsoil

Post by 1290 » Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:36 am

Sounds like a total load of bullshit, people just believe anything. Just use Motorex then KTM cant carry on when you make a warranty claim. My local shop can pull up my account and give me a copy of how much Power Synth I have bought since I got my rig. So there can be no warranty arguments.

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Re: Anybody running 20w50 amsoil

Post by kten » Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:57 am

1290 wrote:Sounds like a total load of bullshit, people just believe anything. Just use Motorex then KTM cant carry on when you make a warranty claim. My local shop can pull up my account and give me a copy of how much Power Synth I have bought since I got my rig. So there can be no warranty arguments.
:roll: :lol:
Whats bullshit is how powerful the marketing is that people believe this recommended oil crap. ANY correct weight oil certified to the level required is perfectly fine and no warranty claim can be denied if any of them are used.
Lots of good info out there from people who have done real tests on the motorex oil showing it to shear down real quick in KTM gearboxes if you're interested..

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Re: Anybody running 20w50 amsoil

Post by 1290 » Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:40 pm

Any motorcycle manufacturer can denie a warranty claim if they see fit and it can be a nightmare trying to deal with it, just like an insurance company this way my ass is covered.

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Re: Anybody running 20w50 amsoil

Post by 1290 » Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:40 pm

Any motorcycle manufacturer can denie a warranty claim if they see fit and it can be a nightmare trying to deal with it, just like an insurance company this way my ass is covered.

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