1290 Suspension

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Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by 1290 » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:39 pm

There's a lot of good shocks around as good as Ohlins. The WP in the catalogue is a nice bit of gear, Elka are also way up there, you just got ya head fucked over by specs and marketing bullshit.

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Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by wsmc99 » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:21 pm

1290 wrote:There's a lot of good shocks around as good as Ohlins. The WP in the catalogue is a nice bit of gear, Elka are also way up there, you just got ya head fucked over by specs and marketing bullshit.
Yup! 8-)

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Re: RE: Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by guzzi4v » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:08 pm

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Akalnoky wrote:After investigating what is available for the 1290 my suspension tech has come up with the following options:
1. Front & rear gold valve upgrades and sprung to my weight. The rear is a relatively simple upgrade, but the shitty setup on the front requires a heap more work. His advice is coming from Shock Treatment, the RaceTech distributor. Cost around $1500 all up.
2. Front Cartridge kit from Andreani $1000. Ohlins TTX, KT-302 $2,050. Both sprung for my weight.
Does anyone out there have any expiriance with either of these options, cause after 20,000k I'm not happy with standard.
I just finished dialing in a set of Andreani fork cartridges today. I like them a lot. Got them cheaper than your quote as well. PM sent.
I think it's a good one! How much did you pay? Is it a direct plug&play?

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I got mine from Omnia Racing in Italy and had no problems at all.

https://www.omniaracing.net/en/andreani ... 26903.html

They are plug and play but I did not install them myself. I do know this; make sure you check the tightness on all the internal parts before you install. Be aware; the the preload adjuster on top of the fork has rings on it but they are not adjustment levels. That one fooled me for a bit. Also, the hydraulic adjusters are not clickers; they just screw in and out and little adjustments make a noticeable difference. The adjustment sensitivity is on another level above stock. It took me a while to get accustomed to it but once I did the results are great. I'm guessing people accustomed to modern, high end suspension know all this.

These cartridges are big with the Yamaha MT-09 crowd. It seems they are also a fantastic bike with ordinary front suspension.

These cartridges actually exceeded my expectations. They are exceptional value for money in my opinion. If problems occur after the honeymoon I'll get back to you.

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Re: RE: Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by mochilo123 » Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:42 am

1290 wrote:There's a lot of good shocks around as good as Ohlins. The WP in the catalogue is a nice bit of gear, Elka are also way up there, you just got ya head fucked over by specs and marketing bullshit.
Tell me what marketing does Öhlins do ^^ if they are the best and have the biggest hype is because the quality, the finishings and the technology, and the titles they have won! True that they are expensive but the best ;)

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Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by NZspokes » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:01 am

If the rebound on the fork is a bit fast, could you not just go up one oil weight in that leg?

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Re: RE: Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by mochilo123 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:58 pm

NZspokes wrote:If the rebound on the fork is a bit fast, could you not just go up one oil weight in that leg?
Yes it would help, but it also influences comfort. I do not know what oil is standard in the wp fork...

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Re: RE: Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by NZspokes » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:26 am

mochilo123 wrote:
NZspokes wrote:If the rebound on the fork is a bit fast, could you not just go up one oil weight in that leg?
Yes it would help, but it also influences comfort. I do not know what oil is standard in the wp fork...

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You may find the heavier weight oil brings the adjustments into range. Comfort as such will be more controlled by the compression leg.

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Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by 1290 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:10 pm

To yell ya the truth I think Ohlins are overated and way overpriced. No matter how much technical rubbish you dribble.

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by mochilo123 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:35 pm

NZspokes wrote:
mochilo123 wrote:
NZspokes wrote:If the rebound on the fork is a bit fast, could you not just go up one oil weight in that leg?
Yes it would help, but it also influences comfort. I do not know what oil is standard in the wp fork...

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You may find the heavier weight oil brings the adjustments into range. Comfort as such will be more controlled by the compression leg.
Not only compression affects comfort...

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Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by NZspokes » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:31 am

1290 wrote:To yell ya the truth I think Ohlins are overated and way overpriced. No matter how much technical rubbish you dribble.
I agree with you to a point. I believe Ohlins have done the time on sorting each shock for the bike fitment. Not so sure on the other brands. Problem with Ohlins, the cheaper models is you get crossover so if you add rebound you get more comp.

A shock is a simple device. The key point is the piston and the valving. The rest is mainly BS and marketing. You can put a good piston in any shock and it will work well.

My favorite is Nitron. No crossover and a very wide adjustment range that works.

In saying that a WP valved to suit should be great.

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Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by 1290 » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:59 am

Dead right there are so many good shocks that are as good as Ohlins, top shelf WP, Bitubo, Elka, Hyperpro and Wilbers to name just a few. To say Ohlins is the best period is just narrow minded ill informed rubbish.

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Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by Akalnoky » Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:12 am

What I don't understand is why KTM have a great product except for the crap suspension. I've decided to replace the front with an Andreani cartridge kit & Ohlins rear. Some people spend a fortune on exhaust systems but nothing on the most important items. I've also replaced the shit steering damper with a Scotts unit over 12 months ago.

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Re: RE: Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by mochilo123 » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:40 pm

NZspokes wrote:
1290 wrote:To yell ya the truth I think Ohlins are overated and way overpriced. No matter how much technical rubbish you dribble.
I agree with you to a point. I believe Ohlins have done the time on sorting each shock for the bike fitment. Not so sure on the other brands. Problem with Ohlins, the cheaper models is you get crossover so if you add rebound you get more comp.

A shock is a simple device. The key point is the piston and the valving. The rest is mainly BS and marketing. You can put a good piston in any shock and it will work well.

My favorite is Nitron. No crossover and a very wide adjustment range that works.

In saying that a WP valved to suit should be great.
For the 1290 theres only TTX, and there is no crossover at all, rebound and compression are 100% independentista circuits.

In a monotube shock absorber with lets say rebound adjusting, while you adjust rebound the compression gets also affected, as the bleeds are dependant on of each other, but that happens with ohlins, nitron, wp, bitubo and whatever brand you want. Always having in mind that depending on the shaft and piston diameter this influence will be different.

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Re: RE: Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by Gary » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:44 pm

Akalnoky wrote:What I don't understand is why KTM have a great product except for the crap suspension. I've decided to replace the front with an Andreani cartridge kit & Ohlins rear. Some people spend a fortune on exhaust systems but nothing on the most important items. I've also replaced the shit steering damper with a Scotts unit over 12 months ago.
Is the SDR stock suspension that bad?

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Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by dflowers » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:03 pm

Even though I went with Ohlins in the back, the stock shock is not terrible. The front suspension is a bit undersprung. The problem I had was that the front and back suspensions were not in synch. The front would be too soft but attempts to add more compression and rebound as a bandaid just resulted in too much harshness-the front would not absorb sharp bumps well. Very jarring. I finally went with Mupo cartridges which I installed myself. Doing that fixed all my problems. Both front and rear suspensions are balanced and working to my satisfaction.

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Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by mochilo123 » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:46 pm

The rear is way underdamped, just go over mid frequency bumps and notice how you get spit out of the seat...

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Re: RE: Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by Gary » Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:18 pm

mochilo123 wrote:The rear is way underdamped, just go over mid frequency bumps and notice how you get spit out of the seat...

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Isn't damping adjustable? You mean undersprung?

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by mochilo123 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:13 pm

Gary wrote:
mochilo123 wrote:The rear is way underdamped, just go over mid frequency bumps and notice how you get spit out of the seat...

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Isn't damping adjustable? You mean undersprung?
Rebound damping isn't enough evento for this spring imo

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Re: RE: Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by wsmc99 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 4:03 pm

mochilo123 wrote:
NZspokes wrote:If the rebound on the fork is a bit fast, could you not just go up one oil weight in that leg?
Yes it would help, but it also influences comfort. I do not know what oil is standard in the wp fork...

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I believe the shock is 2.5w and the fork is spec'd at 4wt.
When I refreshed my SMT shock with 5wt (from 2.5w) it was quite nice, but it was nicely in range already.

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Re: 1290 Suspension

Post by abc » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:55 am

dflowers wrote:Even though I went with Ohlins in the back, the stock shock is not terrible. The front suspension is a bit undersprung. The problem I had was that the front and back suspensions were not in synch. The front would be too soft but attempts to add more compression and rebound as a bandaid just resulted in too much harshness-the front would not absorb sharp bumps well. Very jarring. I finally went with Mupo cartridges which I installed myself. Doing that fixed all my problems. Both front and rear suspensions are balanced and working to my satisfaction.
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