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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by FFlash » Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:32 pm

Just got a call from DynoJet, PCVs for 1290 came in today, mine + Autotune getting shipped out today!

Hoping that the Rottweiler airbox ships soon so that I can have it all put on and dynoed at the same time, before the snow starts to fall. Can't wait!

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by kevxtx » Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:05 pm

Nice. :D

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by FFlash » Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:23 am

kev, would you give me some advice?

I'm going to have my PCV, autotune, switch and Rottweiler air box installed by my dealer when everything comes in.

My aim is to have the work done to get the lazy man's amount of gain from my combo. That combo will be Akra headers/De-cat. Remus Can, Rottweiler air box, 1290 PCV, AutoTune, and SAS removal. I wouldn't know the difference between 100% of the potential gain and 90% of it.

I have no time or inclination to do the work myself. I just wan to get it done and ride as much as I can before I can't ride anymore. I live in an area where there are no tuning stars. There's only one dyno.

My dealer's service manager installs PCVs, has expressed interest in doing mine and then dynoing it.

What are some things I should make sure that he DOESN'T do?

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by kevxtx » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:44 am

A PCV map with a single cylinder tuning would be the best way to go, you would need to block off the SAS system on the Dyno & would need to weld in 2 X 18mm O2 sensor bungs onto the exhaust headers to do the custom map.

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by pootytang5150 » Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:21 pm

If your not going to ever change your final setup and then get a custom dyno map on the powercommander. Isn't the Auto-tune become redundant?

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by FFlash » Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:56 pm

kevxtx wrote:A PCV map with a single cylinder tuning would be the best way to go, you would need to block off the SAS system on the Dyno & would need to weld in 2 X 18mm O2 sensor bungs onto the exhaust headers to do the custom map.
SAS is already off. Aren't the Akra bungs already 18mm?

pootytang5150 wrote:If your not going to ever change your final setup and then get a custom dyno map on the powercommander. Isn't the Auto-tune become redundant?
Good question! My problem is that I don't know anything about this.

Can someone come up with a reason for mw to want to keep the Autotune?

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by SADUKE » Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:13 am

Kev

Do you have to block off the SAS? am I the only one who like's the spitting and back firing upon closed throttle coming to a stop?

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by kevxtx » Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:46 am

My SAS is still connected as I will be running a cat all the time, I only block off the SAS system when I am on the Dyno testing, mapping or running the Auto Tune.

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by abc » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:30 am

I have just ordered my PCV and At-300 from motomummy because I forgot that Rotweiller performance could supply for me :oops: My bad!
Can someone confirm for me if the AT-300 comes with 02 eliminators or do I have to buy those separately
At this stage my plan is to fit PCV and AT-300 with Rotweiller air box stage 2 kit and download and install Staggers dyno map because I assume I will have the same set up.
Is this the right way to go as a dyno is not available in my area!
I assume stagger will be fitting the Rotweiller airbox kit so I might wait until he has sorted the map on the dyno before installing everything and downloading his map. Oh yeh, I have full Akra evolution system with map and K&N filter, SAS block etc but will upgrade to Rott air box and suitable map once a reliable one is available.
As a newby to PVC's and AT-300's is there anything else I need to be aware of ?
Thanks in advance.

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by kevxtx » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:40 am

Stagger has ordered and paid for his CPR air box & am sure he will head for a custom map soon, the PCV comes with the O2 eliminators not the Auto Tune.

Using an Auto tune you need to map under load to get a close map, so find I nice long hill & do all our mapping runs up the hill under load.

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by abc » Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:46 am

Thanks Kev - much appreciated mate.
Should I download staggers dyno map to the PCV first then fit it to my bike once the Rott box stage 2 is fitted?
OR Can I just start my bike up and save the original Akra map as version1 then download staggers map?
I dont really know what to do once the PCV and AT-300 are fitted. What exactly are the steps once all the wires are plugged in??
Thanks.

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by kevxtx » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:04 pm

I would load Staggers PCV map & start A/T both cylinders to 13.2:1 & at 100 throttle to 13:1

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by dmacl » Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:59 pm

abc wrote: Can I just start my bike up and save the original Akra map as version1
Just to ensure clarity.

To my understanding the PCV will not change the map currently held in the bike's ECU (akra or stock). It will just intercept the injector openings demanded by the ECU and modify them by an amount specified by whoever maps the PCV.

Thus a PCV map from a standard ECU will likely be quite different to one from an ECU with the Akra map.

This is because the PCV is a piggyback device, unlike TuneECU which was actually changing ECU values in the 990s and others.

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by kevxtx » Fri Sep 05, 2014 10:07 pm

dmacl wrote:
abc wrote: Can I just start my bike up and save the original Akra map as version1
Just to ensure clarity.

To my understanding the PCV will not change the map currently held in the bike's ECU (akra or stock). It will just intercept the injector openings demanded by the ECU and modify them by an amount specified by whoever maps the PCV. Correct

Thus a PCV map from a standard ECU will likely be quite different to one from an ECU with the Akra map. Yes the maps are different, if you down load my PCV map & Staggers you will see the difference between the correction values on the same Dyno using a PCV
This is because the PCV is a piggyback device, unlike TuneECU which was actually changing ECU values in the 990s and others. Correct, but we have no Tune ECU on the 1290 so the PCV is the best tool at hand today.

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by kevxtx » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:33 am

mattchoosmith wrote:Kev,

I'm a relatively new KTM 1290 owner, and new to this forum.
I've been reading a number of your posts with interest and would love some advice.
I've owned a number of bikes in the past, but my tinkering with them has been primarily cosmetic.
I'm very much the novice but am keen to step things up with the KTM.

I've ordered a Competition Werkes exhaust (yep, shock horror!!!..........but it sounds sooooo good).
They have redesigned their original unit and the ground scraping problems are apparently a thing of the past.

I'd like to have a set up that will allow me to tune the bike to run as smoothly, powerfully and efficiently as possible once the new exhaust is fitted.
Based on what I've read to date I'm planning to do the following and would like you thoughts?
1/ Rottweiler Performance Stage 2 Intake System
2/ Power Commander V
3/ Rottweiler Performance SAS Emissions Removal kit

I have the following questions:
1/ Rottweiler offer 3 levels of the SAS Emissions Removal kit. Would you recommend the Stage 3? You only need the SAS plates & resistor plug
2/ Does fitting the Power Commander make anything in the SAS Emissions Removal kit redundant? The PCV comes with the 2 X O2 eliminators.
3/ Do I need to add the Power Commander Auto Tune up front, or is that something I can consider down the track? If you want to map your bike correctly I would always recommend a custom Dyno Tune, the next best thing would be an Auto tune. If I were to go with the Auto Tune unit would the single channel be sufficient for someone with my experience, or am I best to just stump up and get the dual channel? A AT-300 would be my first choice, I used to have a A/T-200 on my 990 but it was a pain swapping the O2 sensor over all the time so I upgraded to a A/T-300 Dual channel.

Really appreciate any assistance you (or others) can provide! I would ask these types of questions in the 1290 PCV section

Cheers, Matt

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by mattchoosmith » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:19 pm

Kev,

Thanks for the feedback!
My bad on the placement of my post.........I'll get the hang of it soon.
Will get ordering and see how I go.

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by kevxtx » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:36 pm

I will have a custom map in the coming weeks for the Rottweiler air box on the 1290 built for our Ozzy fuels.

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by mattchoosmith » Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:13 pm

kevxtx wrote:I will have a custom map in the coming weeks for the Rottweiler air box on the 1290 built for our Ozzy fuels.
That's great!
I ordered all the kit tonight so hopefully will have it by the time you have your map worked out.
Exhaust is already on its way so should be here too.

Next step to start researching quality dyno places in Melbourne :shock:

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by kevxtx » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:12 pm

Find a Dyno guy with Tune link software that connects directly to your PCV, the best & cheapest way to build a PCV map.

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Re: 1290 PCV Power Commander

Post by mintpaul » Thu Sep 18, 2014 9:19 am

mattchoosmith wrote:
kevxtx wrote:I will have a custom map in the coming weeks for the Rottweiler air box on the 1290 built for our Ozzy fuels.
That's great!
I ordered all the kit tonight so hopefully will have it by the time you have your map worked out.
Exhaust is already on its way so should be here too.

Next step to start researching quality dyno places in Melbourne :shock:

Check out Dynoverks in Boronia

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