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Off to Sargent custom division it goes.

Post by Bootworks » Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:17 pm

IMHO the SMT saddle is its weakest point, its only virtue being that it weights < 5 lbs. The entire design looks like a study on what a motorcycle manufacturer producing a model with touring aspirations ought to avoid:

* The pans' left support post has distorted at 1,600 miles. (At no point has the bike had more than 200 lbs total load.)
* The pans' front engagement points are a sorry & cheap affair that disengage freely and allow the front to gap from the frame.
* The foam is mush, lateral extensions sag, there's no support.
* The cover upholstery is not fastened, does not follow the contour at the rear under the rider.
* Foam sculpting consists of longitudinal ridges under the riders' thighs. Rise to pillion at the wrong place and not sculpted to provide support under acceleration.
* The cover is a thin and stretchy cheap affair without pretense of breathing, thermal limits or durability.

In preparation for an upcoming 3,500 mile tour of the U.S. NW and Canada I've decided to contact 'Sargent' in Florida to have their custom division rectify this sorry situation. Painters' tape strips strategically placed showing a level line, data and comments, the saddle was shipped yesterday 3-day air to the Sargent Wizzards...Two weeks later I expect a saddle worthy of the 'T' in SMT: Atomic foam layering, broadening and dishing, proper sculpting and support covered in their signature 'Carbon FX'. For all this luxurious treatment I expect to part with something in the order of US$300. Two other bikes in the garage have undergone this transformation: Can't wait to have this SMT completed with a seat worthy of its other wondrous virtues. Will report after receipt and a few clicks on the odo.

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Re: Off to Sargent custom division it goes.

Post by SUB » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:04 pm

Crikey Boots why don't you just come right out and just say you don't like the SMT seat :lol:
Go for it mate Sargent do make a good seat, I've had a couple in the past.
In total contrast, my SMT seat is the first I've ever had that I haven't had modified, reworked or replaced as I find the stock one fine and straight off the back of a 2.5k miles 6 day tour of europe 8-)

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Post by Bootworks » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:56 pm

SUB wrote:Crikey Boots why don't you just come right out and just say you don't like the SMT seat :lol:
Go for it mate Sargent do make a good seat, I've had a couple in the past.
In total contrast, my SMT seat is the first I've ever had that I haven't had modified, reworked or replaced as I find the stock one fine and straight off the back of a 2.5k miles 6 day tour of europe 8-)
Buns of steel, Sub! I'm in awe! :lol:

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Post by dancerdave » Sun Jun 19, 2011 3:34 pm

SUB wrote:Crikey Boots why don't you just come right out and just say you don't like the SMT seat :lol:
Go for it mate Sargent do make a good seat, I've had a couple in the past.
In total contrast, my SMT seat is the first I've ever had that I haven't had modified, reworked or replaced as I find the stock one fine and straight off the back of a 2.5k miles 6 day tour of europe 8-)
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Best standard seat I've had on a bike :P
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Post by afaber1 » Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:29 pm

I don't mind the stock seat except for the abrupt rise in the rear portion of the seat that prevents me from sliding easily back on the seat to change positions a little. I am tempted to have the seat flattened out to eliminate this problem. Any advice on which seat specialist does a good job on this? Or should I just get a stock seat that is on the 990 SMR?
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Post by jonty » Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:07 am

suits my fat arse perfectly

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Post by Bootworks » Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:23 pm

Just received the saddle from 'Sargent'. As usual, perfect! The rise has been moved back 1/2" and sculpted at the proper radius to fit, a crafted detail I had not anticipated. Not only does it look beautiful but it works far better than the stock seat. A long ride along a winding narrow road confirmed the vast improvement, well worth the investment and the short wait: It went from a random pile of mush to Heaven for my tush.
I'm in awe of those that praise the stock seat: Tough hombres! ;)

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Post by skybullet » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:50 pm

If you live in Livermore, CA you must have tried Corbin?? I have had several of their seats and both the "off the shelf" and custom Wizard seats were pretty good. I tried Rick Mayer on my last seat and it is the best yet.

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Post by Bootworks » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:51 am

Yes, I've tried 'Corbin' on three separate occasions, including one for a R1100GS which was carved specifically for my derriere by the so-called 'Wizards' at Corbin soon after they moved to their current location and during the era of the 'Sparrow', their attempt to enter the three wheel cocoon vehicle market. Torrential downpours that day, I remember it well.
And I am acquainted with Myers, having met Rick at Thunderhill during the 1100rr introduction, fine saddles.
But when I entered the next chapter of my riding, the Ducati in particular had a 'Sargent', and it was a revelation.
I'm about to add a 690 smc to the stable and will visit 'Renazco' (not far from here) for that saddle, being that they seem to know these motards well. However, their use of suede concerns me...As you may have guessed by my handle, "bootworks", leather is a familiar subject and I've come to think it's not the optimum cover for a motorcycle seat,

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Post by dflowers » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:20 pm

I have a Renazco on my 690r enduro. I went with the suede option but they will make the seat without suede.

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Post by ohpyramids » Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:56 pm

Please post some photos of your new sargent seat!

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Post by Bootworks » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:14 pm

ohpyramids wrote:Please post some photos of your new sargent seat!
If only I knew how!

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Post by skybullet » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:30 pm

I just completed a 1600 mile trip on my SMT with some 400+ mile days. Over the years I have had custom Corbins and Sargent with the last two being Rick Mayer's. The Rick Mayer (not to be confused with his brother Bill) is by far the most all day comfortable seat I have ever had. And, it is built on the stock pan so the fit and light weight is preserved.

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Post by adcolor » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:46 am

Rick Mayer made my Triumph seat. No questions asked, they re-made it (too soft foam). All was well then.
I would suggest that ANY seat be made far enough in advance that it can be 'burmed' in prior to that long trip you bought it for (which was the original plan).
All's well that ends well. :lol:
The seat was leather, never an issue to me. Probably done with that and will stay with vinyl in the future.

One other thought is that you consider all the things that don't work. In that case I didn't realize until much later that due to my assburns that the seat was too low. Kind of like that joke about making the pain in one place go away by making a worse pain elsewhere. I lived with it.

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Post by ohpyramids » Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:17 am

and we have a french sexbot in here hahahaha

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Post by jhocking » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:45 am

I've had a 2012 990 SMT for less than a week. Is it wrong to love a motorcycle? If so, I'm a very bad person.

The only thing I don't like about what is otherwise the perfect motorcycle is the stock seat. I'm 6' 1 & 1/2", and the step-up pushes me too far forward. This is exacerbated by the Forcefield Pro Action shorts I usually wear, and always wear when I go on longer rides which are likely to include some enthusiastic riding.

The stock seat also has inadequate padding.

I don't ride two-up, ever. I simply want a well padded, solo seat, that allows me to stretch out as comfort dictates. Is Sargent my best bet?

Folks are critical of Corbin, Saddleman, and seemingly all the common after-market custom seat manufacturers.

Thanks for any advice.

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Post by Bootworks » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:58 am

John, congrats on your SMT.

I continue to enjoy my Sargent but keep a couple of things in mind: My stock seat was sent to the Sargent Custom Division, it was built to my specs. When it comes to seats what works for one rider may not work for the next.

This just came up on FleaBay, have you seen it?: http://www.ebay.com/itm/KTM-990-Supermo ... 9a&vxp=mtr I know James Renazco, he built a saddle for my MTS1200 and does good work. But as always, seats can be a very personal thing.

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Post by jhocking » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:44 pm

Dear Bootworks (if that's your real pseudonym -;)),

Thanks for the tip. I ordered the used, KTM 990 Supermoto Touring SMT Rubber Side Up Renazco Racing Suede Top Seat Saddle. (Man, say that fast five times.) Jim (I think) was very friendly in response to my e-mail inquiry and said I could try it for a month or so and return it if it didn't work out.

The trip I've wanted to take for as long as I can remember is from GA, 2500 miles to the west coast; hitting US Highway 1 in central California at San Luis Obispo, and then north on 1, which hugs the coast for about 1100 miles through Big Sur, Monterey, Santa Cruz, San Francisco, Northern California, Portland, OR, and finally Olympia National Park in the Northwest corner of Washington, and a ferry ride to Victoria, British Columbia (and back).

The 990 SMT is perfect for the Highway 1 segment, which is the purpose of the trip; obviously less so for long distant touring. At a minimum, besides a better seat, I'd need better panniers, but regardless, it would be a long hard ride. I've thought of flying out, and shipping the bike. I think I could deal with riding back because I'd pass near Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks, and the world's largest ball of string somewhere in North Dakota, although I'd have to leave later than I'd prefer, which is April, because it's bitterly cold inland up there until very late spring. (The weather on Highway 1 doesn't vary all that much year round. It can be quite chilly in the summer, but is rarely below freezing, even in Washington, in the winter due to the warming effect of the ocean.)

Thanks, again. I'll post a photo when I have the seat installed.

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