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Re: Hard Cases

Post by bfg » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:41 am

I have to say those Ardcases look brilliant - especially the black/orange ones on the orange bike...

Found some sizing info for everyone else - http://ardcases.co.uk/products-and-prices/ If those are the 8 inch versions they're 34 litres each, the 9inch version would be 37 litres.

I still wonder if those types of cases look a little overkill on the SM-T, and whether the Trax cases or HepcoBecker Xplorers fit the bike better....

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Re: Hard Cases

Post by deanodog » Mon Sep 19, 2011 9:51 am

Nico: Off the top of my head, these are 17" long, 15" deep and 8" wide (you wouldn't want them any wider). This gives a capacity (if I have worked it out correctly) of 33.5l each. Of course you can have any size you like – just ask Roger: info@ardscases.co.uk. System 1 is in square-edged box form where as System 2s have chamfered fronts and outside bottom edges.

BFG: They are brilliant. I am a little envious of my brother's black and orange ones as they do look really good on his bike - he is going to add KTM logo on them too. Weight-wise – surprisingly light - I don't know the exact weight but I am sure Roger can tell you. We rode back 150 miles back home in fairly strong winds with panniers and they didn't affect the stability of the bike in anyway. You wouldn't know you have them on - but I suppose you would do if you hit another car whilst filtering! I filtered over the Queen Elizabeth bridge on the M25 with no issues. Size-wise - see above. You can have any size you want - even ask Roger if he can make you a top box.

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Re: Hard Cases

Post by bfg » Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:21 am

deanodog wrote:They are brilliant.
What is the rack/fitting system like? Does it have a similar quick-fit system to the SW-Motech/Traqx boxes or is it a bit of spannering every time you want to take the rack off the bike? I'm only asking cuz I wouldn't use the cases often so want to be able to remove (and refit!) them easily and leave the bike looking good when cases/racks aren't on...

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Re: Hard Cases

Post by deanodog » Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:43 am

The racking system is bolted on - needs to be for strength really but can be removed quite easily in about ten minutes. (It only attached with six to eight bolts). The panniers can be removed by hand in seconds by unscrewing the two hand screws inside the pannier and then it just pops off leaving the rack on the bike.

When I am ready for a tour I will put the racking system on and when not in use then I can take the whole system off. I am not familar with the Traqx Boxes to be able to comment.

For the price - all in for £510 I think I have a pretty great alloy panniers system which I have personalised with my own colourways.

I live in Sussex if you want to have a look.

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Re: Hard Cases

Post by bfg » Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:16 pm

deanodog wrote:I am not familar with the Traqx Boxes to be able to comment.
From Katum_smt's pictures viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2498&start=10 you can see that the Trax system has primary brackets which are always bolted to the frame, and then the rack bolts to these with 6 quick fasten bolts, so it sounds like the ardcases take a bit more spannering to add/remove completely.

On a different note - do you use inner bags with the cases - or just chuck everything in there?

I'm tempted, it's a great price and as you say with a bit or personalisation (the black and orange for my orange 2010 bike please!) but just can't decide...

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Re: Hard Cases

Post by deanodog » Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:16 pm

Hi BFG - just seen and looks more complexed than the frame that Aardcase sits on. The frame stays on but only six to eight bolts to remove.

The boxes are quick release with a hand to unscrew of the spring bolt from the inside then they just pop off. Let me put it this way. I spent 18 months to find the right system and the right price and then I found Roger. I could have spent far more on panniers which have a choice of one or two colours and cost far more, however I am glad I chose personalised hand-made panniers in my choice of colours and spent no more than £375 plus £160 for the frame. Isn't biking all about making your machine yours?

Black with orange lids - you won't be disappointed. I am envious of my brother's.

I haven't bought inner bags for the panniers. I intend to do what other fellow touring bikers do and put their overnight bags in strong bin liners - cheap and watertight mind you the panniers are water tight anyway.

As I say you are welcome to see them if you are in the area as I am a little along the coast from Brighton.

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Re: Hard Cases

Post by redcap » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:12 pm

Hi All
ARDcases can be mounted onto sw motech racks no problem .All you need is the adapter plates which i believe are app.£20 each .I am not sure if the Motech racks are as strong as the Holan ones but the choice is yours !
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Re: Hard Cases

Post by birdie » Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:19 am

supermarket Bags for life make excellent liners plus have handles . :)

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Re: Hard Cases

Post by Don » Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:41 pm

I wanted the KTM dealer to mount the Trax topcase, but his solution was to remove the original + handles, because not sturdy enough to stand a topcase with a load.
SW-Motech has a solution which does not require removing the handles, stating however that no more than 5 kg should be loaded in the topcase. Has anyone mounted the SW-Motech and has done some use of it?

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Re: Hard Cases

Post by katum_smt » Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:22 am

I have the SW Motech topbox (and side panniers)
the original rear grab handle remain in place
There are spacers that fit under the grab handle mounting bolts (in kit) and also in between the top box mounting plate
Inside the SW Motech (TRAX) top box is a label that states (i think) maximum load 12kg
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Re: Hard Cases

Post by Stu46Duke » Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:31 pm

I'm in the market for a set of hard cases for a trip to Spain next year. I was moving towards the SW Motech Aero cases but have since spotted the Givi Trekker 33Litre. These look more substantial and secure than the aero but the same price while being £160 cheaper than the Trax alternative. These are fitted to a Givi PLR removable frame or a top mount which fits over the existing rack. The added feature is that you can use the same case as a top box rather than have to buy a specific item as with the Trax.

Has anyone seen these in use or actually have them fitted to an SMT?
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Re: Hard Cases

Post by dedalus » Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:54 pm

silly question...does an helmet fit into the trax cases?

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Re: Hard Cases

Post by prooney377 » Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:28 pm

Fitted the H&B cases at the weekend and I think they are amazing, if a little bit wide....
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Re: Hard Cases

Post by Ballon » Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:23 pm

The ones above are the same as mine and the racks just detach when you are not using them, so it all looks very tidy. All round an excellent bit of kit.
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Re: Hard Cases

Post by prooney377 » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:40 pm

Yep, three clips either side and the racks come off. I am very impressed

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Re: Hard Cases

Post by Stu46Duke » Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:01 pm

They look enormous. What capacity are they?
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Re: Hard Cases

Post by Ballon » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:05 am

Stu46Duke wrote:They look enormous. What capacity are they?
Side cases 37l
Top box 42l

They are quite big, but unless you get the KTM ones then nearly all the after market ones will look big. I like the build quality, totally waterproof, there is enough space for my needs, top box takes a full face helmet and the inner carry bags are very useful.
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Re: Hard Cases

Post by katum_smt » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:47 am

dedalus wrote:silly question...does an helmet fit into the trax cases?
Only in the topbox not the side cases
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Re: Hard Cases

Post by prooney377 » Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:35 pm

Agree with all the above, the build quality is ace and they are totally waterproof. The top box I like cos it means I don't need to carry my helmet around all day any more and finally the inner bags are an added bonus cos it means the hard boxes can stay on the bike and you only need carry the soft luggage into the hotel or wherever with you. The only thing I would recommend, and I will be buying them myself shortly, are the locking clips that allow the frames themselves to be physically locked to the bike rather than just clipped on. It will just give that extra piece of mind when you are away from the bike for any period of time.

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Re: Hard Cases

Post by Don » Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:03 pm

Given that I have not been able to clarify if handles could be mounted with the original alublack top case support (replacing the original, plastic ones), here is the answer in case anyone interested.

I mounted the KTM support for the alublack top case. Given that I wanted to keep the handles, I mounted those of the SMR (the kit with the support has parts for mounting with and without handles).

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