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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:15 pm
by ted99
Installing my itg filter and removing sas plates today. My lonetec tune ecu cable is taking a looooonng time to get here in California. Question: Can I damage my bike by running it without downloading a new map first? I already have Akra's, with Akra map. It popped before (I was ok with the occasional popping and backfiring personally), so I'm thinking it was too rich before. So would I be safe now by removing sas and airbox, then running the bike without a new map first? Or must I download a new map before I even fire up the bike?

ps. I will unscrew and remove the secondary flies as well.

Ted

Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:27 pm
by Nordic09
Would be interested of getting Alexx's map, since I live in Helsinki and seem to have the same set-up in SMT. I did pm you.

Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:45 pm
by xaotikos
I can share my dyno-tuned map using tuneecu if anyone needs to try:
Mods:
DNA MK3,
SAS blocked removed and switched off through tuneecu
O2 sensors blocked removed and switched off through tuneecu
Second flies in and used during tuning
EPC ON (I tested off too, not much difference on power and higher consumption)
Leovince cans
Sprockets 17-42
Map #20 as base map

Location Greece, fuel 95

However, always a custom map is better

Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:45 pm
by ted99
Please share. Thanks xaotikos.

Ted

Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:04 pm
by xaotikos
Give me your email through pm to send it to you

Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:56 pm
by ted99
Sent. Thanks Man!

Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:29 pm
by ted99
Got to ask if anyone knows... Is the famous "Akra Map" that's posted on Rottweilers site set up for Rottweiler filter and Akra's or just Akra's only?

It begs the question, "Why would Rottweiler put a 990 SM Tune ECU Akra Map for just Akra's on their site?"

I installed the Rottweiler/ITG filter over the weekend. Without any mapping change (I'm told by previous owner it has Akra map), I can tell it definitely has more horsepower. And I do hear mechanical noise that I didn't hear before. I didn't remove the secondaries, so I can confirm for those wondering about that certain noise, a foam filter alone will allow that mechanical noise, even without removing secondary flies. I'm thinking the stock airbox muffles a lot of that certain mechanical noise.

Got Tune ECU cable installed last night, and I've already been fiddling with maps in Tune ECU. Will fiddle with mapping on bike tonight.

Ted

Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 5:50 am
by ted99
Just loaded a hybrid of map #20 and akro map onto the bike. I did this in the graph view, using the compare feature. Then I richened everything 2k rpm and above by 2%. Thank you Kevin!

The foam filter and map sound awesome. The front wheel wants to come off the ground easier when I crank the throttle. The akros feel hotter after getting off the bike. The map works well (no dyno), even with original stacks and secondary flies in. I left them in thinking it would keep the bike a bit quieter cruising through the neighborhood. It was already loud with the akro's (no baffles) before. With the Rott/ITG installed, the bike is that much louder, even with secondary flies in. You can hear them open up at full throttle by the throaty sound. Extremely cool.

Ted

Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:27 am
by jhalfhide
ted99 wrote:Just loaded a hybrid of map #20 and akro map onto the bike. I did this in the graph view, using the compare feature. Then I richened everything 2k rpm and above by 2%. Thank you Kevin!

The foam filter and map sound awesome. The front wheel wants to come off the ground easier when I crank the throttle. The akros feel hotter after getting off the bike. The map works well (no dyno), even with original stacks and secondary flies in. I left them in thinking it would keep the bike a bit quieter cruising through the neighborhood. It was already loud with the akro's (no baffles) before. With the Rott/ITG installed, the bike is that much louder, even with secondary flies in. You can hear them open up at full throttle by the throaty sound. Extremely cool.

Ted
Might as well just take the flies out then and enjoy Image


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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:08 pm
by Magic Wand
'ted99' and others.

I can confirm that the mechanical noise also appers even with the original air filter box mounted, but with secondary flies removed ('snorkel' removed and with K&N filter in place).
The noise is a bit annoying because it is noticed about 3000 rpm and above. I think I will mount the secondary flies during winter. Almost everything else is original, except air filter and snorkel.

/M

Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:15 pm
by ted99
Well, I probably had a custom map for my bike before. Even smoother than the Akra map (on graph).
I actually went back and reloaded my original map, and added 2% everywhere, after installing rottweiller/itg. Result - More power for sure. Less popping on deceleration than stock airbox. But NO ENGINE BRAKING. I like the engine breaking in the hills. I've never had to use so much back brake to get bike to slow down, so beware. If you install airbox and richen, I'd recommend you only richen at 2% throttle and above, as prescribed countless times in this thread.

I'll use trim table to decrease F1 and F2 back to original settings by decreasing throttle position 0 to 1 by 2%, then smooth the transition a bit via the graph view in tune ecu.

Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:22 pm
by kevxtx
I must admit I hated the heavy engine braking, it unsettled the rear end when coming on off on the throttles when racing around, when down shifting with less compression braking under hard braking there is far less chance of locking the rear wheel up. I even fitted a slipper clutch to both my 990 SMR & SMT to reduce the engine braking even further.

Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:44 am
by jhalfhide
Losing the engine braking has made my cornering a lot better too. Less frantic corner entry, just smooth


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Re: Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:24 am
by xedysx1986
cold start a little choke, RPM are a bit irregular, #20 map, after 10 seconds it is fine, any suggestions? TPS 0,62V at operating temperature six strokes.

Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:49 am
by xaotikos
and the problem is?
rpm can go up to 2100 depending on external temp.
When hot it should be stable around 1440.

Is that the case?

Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:36 am
by roblund6
Sorry, me again! I've been looking at the links for tune ecu maps without a power commander fitted, which decided against after some previous replies.
So, full Akrapovic titanium system including headers/manifolds, not sure if O2 eliminator has been removed, or disabled, baffles put back in, and will be left in after too much noise, Rottweiler air filter with Rottweiler mounting plate, (original airbox completely removed) SAS fully removed, and blanking plates fitted, secondary butterflies completely removed, shaft holes blanked off.
BP Ultimate fuel ALWAYS used, (Slightly higher octane level, allegedly 97 - 98 octane rating) based in England at relatively low altitude.
I cannot find a map specifically for this set up? I know to get her running properly I will need to get her onto a dyno to accurately tune up.
What also concerns me, is I've seen mentions of tweaked maps here and there, and updates.
I'm too scared to download something that is not fully compatible with the set up I have.
Is there a map somewhere else I can download until I can get her tweaked to the ultimate on a dyno?
Thanks in advance, Rob Lund.

Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:43 pm
by jhalfhide
Just get as close as you can.

As fair as airbox goes, the rotty is just a foam filter the same as the ITG/motohoolign so don’t worry yourself there. Same goes for brand of exhaust. It simply doesn’t matter and is close enough.

It certainly won’t cause any damage if the map states 95 Ron and you’re throwing in BP Ultimate. It’s negligible.


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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:41 am
by roblund6
Thanks for the reply jhalfhide, I've clicked on the link which takes me to another website for the maps, but cannot see Kev's #20 which has been recommended, but cannot see it on the list?
Any help would be appreciated.

990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:11 am
by jhalfhide
roblund6 wrote:Thanks for the reply jhalfhide, I've clicked on the link which takes me to another website for the maps, but cannot see Kev's #20 which has been recommended, but cannot see it on the list?
Any help would be appreciated.
Kev’s maps are linked at the top of this thread.


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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:54 pm
by wick3d
Hi Guys,

Ok made some mods to my KTM 990 SMR 2012,

SAS Removed
DNA MK3
O2 sensors blocked
Second flies removed
Full Akrapovic Exhaust
16T front sprocket

I also bought PC5 along with auto-tune. My question is which map should I load to PCV? also is there anything I have to do with ECU? flush it or load standard SMR map? since autotune should do all the work? I'm I, right?

Dyno Jet told me if you have the PC5 I could utilize the Auto-tune accessory to make a custom tune But I need map loaded to PCV which is closely related to my mods.