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Mods & the effects.

Post by LenFerguson » Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:37 am

pasen wrote:
deee-blue wrote:Hi All,

I've just had my first stab at engine mods but I'm getting a PO413 error code which states 'secondary air injection system short circuit to ground or open circuit'.
The mods I've just done are:
Remove SAS system
Remove airbox and replace with CPR Rotwieler foam filter
Remove second butterflies leaving the actuators in place
I've downloaded map No. 8
If anyone can point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it.

And finally on a slightly different note. I keep hearing about the 15 minute cold reset. Would someon ebe kind enough to explain what this is.

Thanks in advance
The 15 minute cold reset is letting the bike stand on idle for 15 minutes if I havent misunderstand it

+1 just make sure that you don't touch the throttle during the reset.
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Re: Mods & the effects.

Post by falcon4 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:28 pm

Thanks for mentioning that about not touching the throttle during the reset.
I sort of figured that, but did wonder if it mattered.

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Re: Mods & the effects.

Post by bubba » Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:57 am

Hi Guys
Just an FYI if anyone else thinking about doing this: I bit the bullet and ordered the DNA mk3 s3 air filter. These guys had the best price with shipping 530 EUR / 708 USD delivered to USA. Might take 45 days to get it... fine with me, still snowing here! Can't wait for spring.

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Re: Kev's SMR Modification list.

Post by falcon4 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:39 am

Ok,
need a bit of advice again Kev and others with experience here.

I ordered the wings exhaust and sas block offs. I'm thinking of running with this for
a bit to see how I like it before springing for the cpr airbox maybe later.

So with the wings and the sas plates, I guess I need resistors due to sas removal?
No new map needed for this right?
We will be using the ktm equip to adjust mapping.

Should we also remove the 2ondary flies?
but this requires new map, right?
Would it be the same map as needed for the cpr airbox? or a different one?

Do we have a map or setup for best mpg? or
One for best mpg and wings?
My mpg has dropped off due to adjustments in mapping richer.
I think the ktm equip only allows for across the board adjustment or
loading of an entire new map.
hope these questions make sense,
thanks

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Kev's SMR Modification list.

Post by LenFerguson » Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:18 am

The first thing I would do is download Tune ECU and buy a cable and learn how to use this software. You will then be able to access all the maps that a on this site. Generally you will need a different map for the changes you are planning. You will most likely find one that matches closely to the mods you are planning. Also with Tune ECU you will be able to turn off the SAS and second flys once you remove them which is highly recommended. Other things to turn off via Tune ECU is the O2 sensors. I had a Dyno map built that gave me a great blend of performance and fuel efficiency. I think that Kev put this up on the map section, but there are now quite a few to choose from. I am running Wing cans, MH air box, second flys removed although the shafts are still in, O2 off and SAS off. Best results come from cans and an air box that allows the bike to really breathe.
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Re: Kev's SMR Modification list.

Post by falcon4 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:58 pm

LenFerguson wrote:The first thing I would do is download Tune ECU and buy a cable and learn how to use this software. You will then be able to access all the maps that a on this site. Generally you will need a different map for the changes you are planning. You will most likely find one that matches closely to the mods you are planning. Also with Tune ECU you will be able to turn off the SAS and second flys once you remove them which is highly recommended. Other things to turn off via Tune ECU is the O2 sensors. I had a Dyno map built that gave me a great blend of performance and fuel efficiency. I think that Kev put this up on the map section, but there are now quite a few to choose from. I am running Wing cans, MH air box, second flys removed although the shafts are still in, O2 off and SAS off. Best results come from cans and an air box that allows the bike to really breathe.
I guess you are right. I guess I do need to break down and get a cable/tune ecu.

How is your mpg these days?
thanks for your encouragement...I tend to shy away from this type operation. :?

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Post by LenFerguson » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:54 am

Still very good, even thou these bikes are not known for their fuel economy. I had the bike on a track today and the power was excellent, very responsive and most importantly smooth power delivery. The great things about this bike is by doing a few small things these bikes really give back the goods, performance and handling.
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Re: Kev's SMR Modification list.

Post by pinifarina » Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:21 pm

Hi LenFerguson,

I can see you own a SMT, so i'm asking you but tottaly open to other members on this one.

I recently bought a 2011 SMT (ABS) and waiting for receive my Wings sleepers next week.
As i can see, is a general population opinion that i should remove the SAS hardware, to avoid popping.

Unfortunately my local KTM dealer is a small one and highly specialized in durt bikes (no SM´s and few Adv only around here :cry: ) and never made the SAS operation, so i'll put my hands on it at home (not an expert, obviously).

I cannot find anywhere a DIY for this operation on a SMT.
(If it exists, please tell me!)

Therefor, can you please (or anybody else) tell me:

SAS - hardware
- Do i need to remove fuel tank or any other peace to remove SAS hardware?
- I can see the two SAS hoses and plankets on the cylinders, but where is the valve? (under seat, maybe?)
- Do i need to put some something there, after removal? (like this » http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAS-Valve-Remov ... 3cccbabbd0 ?)

SAS - software
- If i turn SAS off (through Tune ECU), do i need to make the resistor plug trick on the valve wire?

Thanks!

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Re: Kev's SMR Modification list.

Post by pasen » Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:47 pm

pinifarina wrote: Therefor, can you please (or anybody else) tell me:

SAS - hardware
- Do i need to remove fuel tank or any other peace to remove SAS hardware?
- I can see the two SAS hoses and plankets on the cylinders, but where is the valve? (under seat, maybe?)
- Do i need to put some something there, after removal? (like this » http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAS-Valve-Remov ... 3cccbabbd0 ?)

SAS - software
- If i turn SAS off (through Tune ECU), do i need to make the resistor plug trick on the valve wire?

Thanks!
Q1 - No you dont have to take the tank of.
Q2 - If you remove the seat the valve sits on the short/backside of the airbox, between the airbox and the battery.
Q3 - You need 2 blankingplates to cover the holse were the hoses goes in to the engine, you remove those pates with the hoses and fit new ones.

Q4 - If you disable SAS via TuneECU you dont need the resistor.
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Re: Kev's SMR Modification list.

Post by pinifarina » Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:57 pm

Thanks pasen!

About the 3rd hose between airbox and valve, let´s say, hose #3.
When i remove SAS, do i get a hole in airbox or a 4th hose who use to join airbox and hose #3?

I´m asking just to know if i have to close a hole or a hose.

Thans again.

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Re: Kev's SMR Modification list.

Post by pasen » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:08 pm

pinifarina wrote:Thanks pasen!

About the 3rd hose between airbox and valve, let´s say, hose #3.
When i remove SAS, do i get a hole in airbox or a 4th hose who use to join airbox and hose #3?

I´m asking just to know if i have to close a hole or a hose.

Thans again.
I plugged that one, if you mean the short one on top of the airbox to the SAS-valve.
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Post by pinifarina » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:16 pm

That's the one.
So i'm guessing you left that small hose in the place and just plugged it, instead of take it of attached on SAS-valve.

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Re: Kev's SMR Modification list.

Post by pasen » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:26 pm

pinifarina wrote:That's the one.
So i'm guessing you left that small hose in the place and just plugged it, instead of take it of attached on SAS-valve.

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I took it off and replaced it with a short hose that i plugged. But it works just as fine to let it stay on the airbox and then plug the end that should be in the SAS valve, just make sure that it cant fall of or something like that.
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Post by pinifarina » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:41 pm

Thanks!

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Post by fran » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:56 pm

Kev, still you have not the dyno results with the new stacks?

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Post by kevxtx » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:50 pm

fran wrote:Kev, still you have not the dyno results with the new stacks?
No good latest design with big lip lost power & Torque, the DVS stack was shrouding the main stack to much, the best results are from the first had made ones.

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Post by falcon4 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:32 am

kevxtx wrote:
fran wrote:Kev, still you have not the dyno results with the new stacks?
No good latest design with big lip lost power & Torque, the DVS stack was shrouding the main stack to much, the best results are from the first had made ones.
how about that

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Post by kevxtx » Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:27 am

You can't win them all.

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Post by fran » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:32 am

then, whats stucks are the best, and how or where I cant get it,

and the map for them.

whats stucks and map are you running and how much power and torque you get?

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Post by kevxtx » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:49 am

There were 2 complete sets of stacks produced that worked the best, one set is for my bike & a 2nd set in another 990 SM here in Australia, there are a few other versions that were good with one set on a SDR in Australia & the other is on James SD at the moment.

I have never intended to produce the DVS, James from the SD forum was going to produce & sell them, but he has mentioned to me recently he is selling his SD & won't be manufacturing them as they are just to hard to produce for a reasonable selling price.

With the best stacks I got just under 130HP rear wheel HP baffles in, I built my own custom maps.

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