990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by ztevansmt » Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:08 am

Yes you should and can save your current map.

I just loaded the 2011 Akra map on my 2010 SMT.

My setup is:
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Going to do SAS removal soon!
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based in Netherlands (europe ;) )

I would like to try a good map for my setup, and want to try a map with opened 2nd butterflies before i remove them.

Map #9 looks good. But i dont understand how i should modify the map to use for european fuel.
also that map is with removed 2nd butterflies and i want them 100% open before i have to remove them.

How can i adjust this? Or is there someone who can adjust and upload the map for me?

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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by roblund6 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:20 pm

I'm at the point now where my beauty is ready, but too scared to run her until she's remapped, but not happy with modifying a map with her running at tick-over, really needs to be on a rolling road.
Secondary butterflies completely removed, including encoder, wiring etc.
SAS completely removed.
Rottweiller air unit fitted.
Akrapovic Titanium manifolds and silencers fitted. (Baffles in, tried without, no extra power, just annoyed everyone)
Shorai Lithium battery.
Carbon fibre, and Titanium bolts everywhere.
LED back light/brake light.
Can I find anywhere in the UK that uses Tune ECU on a rolling road? No.
Haven't ridden my beauty for two years, only 4,800 miles on her since new, - what a waste :(

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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by MastrUsr » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:32 am

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Hi all and greetings from Finland!

I'm new SMT owner and also new in here.

Bike is standard 09 SMT with standard map, only change is Leo Vince cans with link pipe. It feels a little bit lean right now and I'm thinking to load new map. Which one you recommend: #4 Akra map or #15 Kev's performance map?

Thanks for answers!
I would try #15 first. If not to your liking, try #4. :)

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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by Wrath » Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:28 am

roblund6 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:20 pm
I'm at the point now where my beauty is ready, but too scared to run her until she's remapped, but not happy with modifying a map with her running at tick-over, really needs to be on a rolling road.
Secondary butterflies completely removed, including encoder, wiring etc.
SAS completely removed.
Rottweiller air unit fitted.
Akrapovic Titanium manifolds and silencers fitted. (Baffles in, tried without, no extra power, just annoyed everyone)
Shorai Lithium battery.
Carbon fibre, and Titanium bolts everywhere.
LED back light/brake light.
Can I find anywhere in the UK that uses Tune ECU on a rolling road? No.
Haven't ridden my beauty for two years, only 4,800 miles on her since new, - what a waste :(

There is allt of people that lives in the uk and runs these Maps without any problems, choose one for you mods and be happy or buy a Power commander and leave it at a tuner.

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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by roblund6 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:44 am

Wrath, I really appreciate your reply. I'm sure I've read somewhere that map #20 'fits-the-bill', but I don't think it's set for the Akra Titanium manifolds.
I cannot 'for-love-nor-money' find the link to these maps. If anyone could point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated.
All the best, Robin.

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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by kevxtx » Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:13 am

roblund6 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:44 am
Wrath, I really appreciate your reply. I'm sure I've read somewhere that map #20 'fits-the-bill', but I don't think it's set for the Akra Titanium manifolds.
I cannot 'for-love-nor-money' find the link to these maps. If anyone could point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated.
All the best, Robin.
Here you go Robin http://www.ktmsmt.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3770

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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by roblund6 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:21 am

kevxtx thank you very much, I'll have a closer look when I finish work.

Thanks again, Robin.

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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by roblund6 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:15 am

kevxtx, had a look, #11 appears to be pretty much what my bike has apart from I've left the baffles in. (Didn't feel any extra power with them out, just annoyed everyone! So put them back in).

I'll give that a go and let you know how I get on.

Thanks again, Robin.

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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by scb27 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:46 am

A big thank you to Big Red and Kev for sharing this, I recently put this on my 990 SMR in Singapore and its almost perfect!

Could I ask @Big Red, do you happen to know your TPS voltage? I think it might need a few% removed here or there to adapt it to Singapore's 32 Degrees, 75% humidity, 5m above sea level and 1005hpa that's pretty consistent all year round.

There's a little bit of popping on the overrun and has the dipping idle with my TPS at 0.65v once warm and idling but it doesn't stall, it's just a little disconcerting. Will check the usual suspects like clutch switch and BGC but have a feeling it's a case of tweaking the 0% TPS column as the rest is nearly perfect with the following setup:

Rottweiler Air Filter
RC8 Front Velocity Stack
SAS removed/blanked
EPC off
2nd Butterflies removed but shafts in place and turned off in tune ECU
98 Octane fuel (not sure if Singapore's fule is similar to ANZ or not)

Would go for a dynotune but everyone here only works on PC5s and arent' interested in Tune ECU - it's so close now with Big Red's map I can't justify the expenditure haha


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Finally got my 13 SMT dyno tuned a few weeks ago. All I can think since picking it up is, "Why did I wait so long?"

On paper it was only a 4HP increase but the bike rides completely differently. Smoother throttle and more grunt. Previously there were sweet spots (about 6K in third in particular) where the bike pulled much better - now the whole rev range in all gears feels like that!

I'm running Leos with no baffle, ITG foam filter on George's plate, secondary flies removed, EPC off and SAS removed. Was running Map#18 (Jeff's) which I was pretty happy with, but so much happier now.

For those in Melbourne I strongly recommend Race Tuning in Albert St Brunswick, service was excellent and at $450 the price was right. I will try and get my dyno map to Kev so he can add it to the downloads.

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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by bigred » Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:56 am

scb27 wrote:A big thank you to Big Red and Kev for sharing this, I recently put this on my 990 SMR in Singapore and its almost perfect!

Could I ask @Big Red, do you happen to know your TPS voltage? I think it might need a few% removed here or there to adapt it to Singapore's 32 Degrees, 75% humidity, 5m above sea level and 1005hpa that's pretty consistent all year round.

There's a little bit of popping on the overrun and has the dipping idle with my TPS at 0.65v once warm and idling but it doesn't stall, it's just a little disconcerting. Will check the usual suspects like clutch switch and BGC but have a feeling it's a case of tweaking the 0% TPS column as the rest is nearly perfect with the following setup:

Rottweiler Air Filter
RC8 Front Velocity Stack
SAS removed/blanked
EPC off
2nd Butterflies removed but shafts in place and turned off in tune ECU
98 Octane fuel (not sure if Singapore's fule is similar to ANZ or not)

Would go for a dynotune but everyone here only works on PC5s and arent' interested in Tune ECU - it's so close now with Big Red's map I can't justify the expenditure haha


bigred wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:15 am
Finally got my 13 SMT dyno tuned a few weeks ago. All I can think since picking it up is, "Why did I wait so long?"

On paper it was only a 4HP increase but the bike rides completely differently. Smoother throttle and more grunt. Previously there were sweet spots (about 6K in third in particular) where the bike pulled much better - now the whole rev range in all gears feels like that!

I'm running Leos with no baffle, ITG foam filter on George's plate, secondary flies removed, EPC off and SAS removed. Was running Map#18 (Jeff's) which I was pretty happy with, but so much happier now.

For those in Melbourne I strongly recommend Race Tuning in Albert St Brunswick, service was excellent and at $450 the price was right. I will try and get my dyno map to Kev so he can add it to the downloads.
I am glad the map is working for you. Idk the TPS voltage, I will try and hook up Tune ECU on the weekend and check.
In terms of getting a custom tube done, the mob that did mine had never seen Tune ECU before, I took the program, and Jeffs #18 that I was running, to them on a USB and they worked it out. Perhaps you could do the same?

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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by motoyoyo » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:06 pm

bigred wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:15 am
Finally got my 13 SMT dyno tuned a few weeks ago. All I can think since picking it up is, "Why did I wait so long?"

On paper it was only a 4HP increase but the bike rides completely differently. Smoother throttle and more grunt. Previously there were sweet spots (about 6K in third in particular) where the bike pulled much better - now the whole rev range in all gears feels like that!

I'm running Leos with no baffle, ITG foam filter on George's plate, secondary flies removed, EPC off and SAS removed. Was running Map#18 (Jeff's) which I was pretty happy with, but so much happier now.

For those in Melbourne I strongly recommend Race Tuning in Albert St Brunswick, service was excellent and at $450 the price was right. I will try and get my dyno map to Kev so he can add it to the downloads.
bigred, is this map listed as map #22 on the main TuneEcu list? I also have a 2013 SMT and am currently running map #18, which has been the best I have tried so far, but still looking for something a bit smoother in the low and midrange. Will definitely give #22 a try if this is the map you are referring to. Thanks

Update- I went back a couple pages and found that this is indeed map #22 on the TuneEcu list. Will try out this week and give feedback.

Finally got a chance to try out TuneEcu map #22 from bigred. Wow, this is the bike I have been hoping for from the beginning. What an awesome map for a modified bike. So smooth and strong from the bottom to the top. No more jerky, on-off throttle response. I used to have to cover the clutch all the time in corners, in case of a jerky roll throttle. My only changes in this map was to turn off EPC and open the 2nd throttle to 100% throughout the entire range.

My setup is Rottweiler foam airbox, Akrapovic exhaust w/baffles, SAS blockoff plates installed, and secondary plates not removed, but set wide open 100% of the time. Also, I am running USA 94 ron fuel, which does not seem to need any adjustment in fueling. Actually running slightly cooler than normal and slight pop once in a while on downshifting, only after being on the gas hard. So awesome!! Thanks for posting this map. Now I can totally enjoy the fine handling of this great bike. BTW, I also have a 2008 990 SDR and I this new map makes the SMT feel just as strong as the SDR. Nice!
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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by ztevansmt » Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:50 pm

Looking for a new map for my updted smt 2010.

My setup is:
16t front
02 eliminators, sensors in place
epc off (wire mod)
2nd Butterflies removed (axles in place)
SAS delete with block off plates
Motohooligan airbox
Arrow alluminium pipes without baffles (sometimes put the baffles in).
based in Netherlands (europe 8-) )

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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by scb27 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:56 am

Hi Big Red,

I don't suppose you got a chance to check the fuel/tps settings you're usinf at once warm?

I know Kev has explained teh importance of getting in the ball-park for these for the fuelling to be truly replicated and mine is a little on the high side at 0.64 - 0.65 volts once warm and id does have the occasional dipping idle issue but no real stalls as of yet.

If you do find your notes or get a chance to find out at some point, it would definitly be appreciated! :D

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I am glad the map is working for you. Idk the TPS voltage, I will try and hook up Tune ECU on the weekend and check.
In terms of getting a custom tube done, the mob that did mine had never seen Tune ECU before, I took the program, and Jeffs #18 that I was running, to them on a USB and they worked it out. Perhaps you could do the same?

Cheers

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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by scb27 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:48 am

Hi Kev,

Sorry for the message but I've read through the full thread a couple of times now and wanted to ask a quick question about Tune ECU Map#20 which I believe you helped to build?

1 - I noticed that the fueling in the L-tables is circa -10% in the 1.3-1.6k rpm range. Was this to correct for an idle issue associated with the CPR foam filters? What was the reason for leaning out around the 370hpa range (below or at idle here in Singapore) if you can remember that far back?

2 - Did you ever do a dyno run to see what effect the EPC selection (on or off) does to the actual AFR?

I notice that it's considerably smoother with it selected as you have commented before in your SMT Build thread but just wanted to see if there was ever a clear reason for this?

As expressed here and in almost every thread, a massive thank you for all of your help you've provided the community, wouldn't have the bike without it!!! :D
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Here you go Robin http://www.ktmsmt.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3770

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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by kevxtx » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:47 am

I have more than likely built more than 2000 custom dyno maps for different bikes & models since that map so cant really remember, but was aiming for smoothness.

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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by scb27 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:59 am

Roger that, the inevitable pursuit of perfection continues haha. Thank you for all the help :-)
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I have more than likely built more than 2000 custom dyno maps for different bikes & models since that map so cant really remember, but was aiming for smoothness.

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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by scb27 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:00 am

Hi Kev,

If you'll indulge me, a question on generic tuning / map building.

To create an F-Map on the dyno using a power commander seems quite straight forward and that can then be imported into Tune ECU.

As you've pointed out before, there's no direct translation for the L-map so that's where the tricky bit comes in. My friend has said I can borrow his PC5 for a couple of weeks to help get mine fully dialed in so I was thinking about the following approach as I'll have to give it back:

1 - Set FL to zero above 2k rpm in tune ecu and do a full mapping to get F trim tables that can be imported for each cylinder

2 - Set the F-L switch point to 50% and repeat the mapping procedure using a data logger recording the MAP signals, rpm and tps data for the <50% throttle area

3 - combine the data and use this to tune ONLY the L tables (manually)

Would this theoretically yield the best possible outcome for when I have to give the PC5 back?

I have been researching all the data I can find but it seems PC5 doesn't have a L-table so I presume it does some sort of on-the-fly calculation when the bike is running primarily on the MAP sensors?

Thank you again and have a great weekend!

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I have more than likely built more than 2000 custom dyno maps for different bikes & models since that map so cant really remember, but was aiming for smoothness.

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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by kevxtx » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:12 pm

Setting FL to zero above 2k rpm in tune ecu and do a full open loop custom map to get F trim tables that can be imported for each cylinder will get the open loop fuel tables mapped, tuning the L tables or pressure maps is a little more complex & would be best done by hand on the Dyno, I use a Woolich data logger for 99% of my pressure maps tunes but they don't flash KTM's yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NoPgnHPwEU

The L tables have varied blends of Pressure V TPS tables at different throttles & RPM, so trying to tune as you mentioned wont really work unless fixed numbers in the blend tables are used. Below is an example of the L V L balance.
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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by Preetisharma » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:49 am

Thanks for the excellent answer! Keep up!

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Re: 990 Power Commander 5 & Tune ECU custom maps

Post by ztevansmt » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:46 pm

ztevansmt wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:50 pm
Looking for a new map for my updted smt 2010.

My setup is:
16t front
02 eliminators, sensors in place
epc off (wire mod)
2nd Butterflies removed (axles in place)
SAS delete with block off plates
Motohooligan airbox
Arrow alluminium pipes without baffles (sometimes put the baffles in).
based in Netherlands (europe 8-) )
I just uploaded the #22 map to my smt.
I dont have the front RC8 stack and i have the Motohooligan airbox instead of the ITG filter.
Im in europe on 95 fuel. Added 2% fuel.

Should work ok, right?
Noticed EPC was ticked on, disciption says it's off on the 22 map. ticked it off for now.

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