painting the front fender

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painting the front fender

Post by detro996 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:06 am

Has anyone else done this to their front fender ? I'm a newbie and a hobbiest painter and that was the first thing I did to her after we got home. Any opinions
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Re: painting the front fender

Post by gordy » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:30 pm

No, but if you were a bit closer you would be welcome to do mine, looks fantastic finishes it off nicely. . Good job bud.

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Re: painting the front fender

Post by JDS1290SDr » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:26 am

Nicely done. Great lines. Are those decals that were clear coated?
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Re: painting the front fender

Post by Steel32 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:56 pm

It looks great!

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Re: painting the front fender

Post by jhalfhide » Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:39 am

That looks really nice. I've the same bike... hmm [WINKING FACE]


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Re: painting the front fender

Post by BetterByCab » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:08 pm

Hobbyist Painter? Looks professional to me - very fine design and work!

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Re: painting the front fender

Post by Steel32 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:16 pm

What brand of paint did you use?

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Re: painting the front fender

Post by detro996 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:52 am

Thanks for all of the compliments. I promise you I'm a hobbiest. I did clear over the decals and the decals are the ones that go on each side of the headlight. You really need to put some 2k primer on it as it fills the texture of the plastic of the fender. But I do this shit in my driveway and use a spot panel clear with a fast activator where a bug can land on it after 5 minutes and he won't stick. You just have to find a nice day, stay home from work because if anyone in the neighborhood is mowing their yard and I'm talking 10 houses away there will be shit floating around.

I typically use the economy mid grade paint. I kind of think paint is paint. Here is a Ducati I painted last summer. I found out you could put a 999 fender on a S4RS. So I bought a 999 front fender before the bike. Boy did it change the look of a stocker. But I also ended up painting the whole bike, even painted the stripes where they we're decals. Also the wheels. I just cleared them after putting some decals on. But the bike was so slick you could not feel the stripes. Nothing you can't do with a compressor and a decent gun. You just learn how to work with the chemicals. You need a compressor that puts out around 7 to 9 CFM's
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Re: painting the front fender

Post by Fry » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:29 am

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Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:06 am
Has anyone else done this to their front fender ? I'm a newbie and a hobbiest painter and that was the first thing I did to her after we got home. Any opinions20170325_124719_1491526185800.jpg20170325_124719_1491526185800.jpg
Amazing....I really like the look of that front fender.

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Re: painting the front fender

Post by duda » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:36 am

Just stumbled on your post. What caught me up is that I have the same two bikes in my garage.
The Mamola BMW is my son's. But he takes my SMT out more than his.

Nice paint btw.
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Re: painting the front fender

Post by Magic Wand » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:10 pm

Hi 'detro996' !

I also like the looking of the front fender. That gloss black is really beautiful!
I'm planning to do the samt to the front fender, side plastics (close to the seat), the plastic around the front light, maybe the hand guards and the (RedFox 'shitty') rear hugger.

Let see if I got it correct:
You put on primer on the front fender to let the surface become smooth.
Did you wet sand the surface as well?
Then put on 2k matt or gloss black paint?
Put on clearcoat on the matt black?
Used an air compressor and a (simple?) air color gun/paint spray?

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Re: painting the front fender

Post by detro996 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:53 am

I did exactly that, also 2k urethane primer filler. Something that will fill an 80 go 120 zanding mark. The texture of the plastic makes for a prefect surface for primdr adhesion. Then I took the decals which belong on the pieces beside the headlight. Same decal. Unfortunately you have to buy a full set of decals to get a replacement. I have a few extra if you are in the states. Then I bought some RAL9005. Its the factory black code. I believe it is a glariut code and any paint shop can covert into there brand. Its just a urethane basd coat, not a matt color but it won't shine until you clearcoat it. I sanded my primer with 400. Thd shot the black let the chemicals evaporate for about a day before you put the decals on. Then I pretty much use nason spot panel clear with 478-79 or 78 hardner. It sill flash off very fast and allow you get it on thick after you put a tack coat on. Since that photo ive since painted the wheels orange and today i just finished repainting the whole bike. I just to through today sanding it with 2000 and buffing it. See if you can figure out what I changed.

Ivd bsen doing this for yeafs now and yes j used a compressor. You need some a cut about a home compressor. The older home compressors with a fly wheels and a pump work well. You need about t to cfm's to paint with a gun. Mine is a 30 gallon with 11.5 cfms. The new ones they make for the home will not work. Doesnt matter how big the tank is. You need volume.
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Re: painting the front fender

Post by detro996 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:02 am

I was trying to say 5 to 7 cfms i also forgot to sh ow you the orange wheels
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Re: painting the front fender

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Re: painting the front fender

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Re: painting the front fender

Post by detro996 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:15 am

The floresent lights play tricks on the colors. Outside all the oranges match. I'll post some when i get it bacm togther. I didnt think anyone really paid attsntion here anymore.

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Re: painting the front fender

Post by Magic Wand » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:39 pm

'detro996'

I DO PAY ATTENTION! ;)

Thank's a lot man - you made my day! Very beautiful done paint job. Also the wheels looks great.

Next time (the first!) I visit Alabama I'll let you know... want to see your SMt in real :D
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I woun't put on stickers to the front fender - that is the only part I don't like too much at your SMt ;-)
(But looks is something very subjective, right?!)
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So, urethane primer, is this a specific primer for plastic materials?
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I planned to put on (urethane) primer filler to the fender.
Use wet sand #800.
Paint with gloss black.
Clear coat.

Am I overdoing it?!
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Sorry, but I don't understand about the air compressor.
The older ones with a flywheel and a pump is nothing else than 'history' these days, aren't they?
Doesn't matter, I don't have it and I'm not going to buy one. I have only a hobby compressor, and I believe it's to small tank (aprox. 5-6 gallon) on that one. But I believe it's possible to adjust the outgoing air pressure...

You say; 'Doesnt matter how big the tank is. You need volume.'
The tank size IS the volume, right?
30 gallons is about 136 litres. Quite big i must say.
I'm not familiar with 'cfm'...
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Can't figure out what you changed about the painting :x ;)

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Re: painting the front fender

Post by detro996 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:01 am

I love the stripes, but like you say. Beleive me they wouldnt be there had the guy not given me 2 full sets of decals. He dropped it on the right side and cracked the piece that says smt and scraped the rest and then tried to cover it up with decals. You could tell under the decals there was damage. So i rode it as is for the season and took it apart to fix it. I actually went and bought a 1290 GT with the end of the year rebates, but hated it and let my friend have it. It is not a replacement for the smt, but since i was going to keep it i figured I'd make it slick and do it all. I love to clear and then sand it all with 800 and reclear and repeat about 3 times until you cannot feel the decals anymore. Then sand it with 2000 and start.buffing until it looks like a piece of glass. What i meant on the compressor thing is you need at least 5 to 7 CFM = cubic feet per minute. That was what i meant by volume. I had a 5hp 30 gallon when I started and it was a home compressor, the whole time i was painting it would scream. So it finally crapped out and I went and got a new one that was the typical home compressor. But it had a huge tank and it took 30 minutes to fill up. Needless to say it didnt work. It was either that or a professional quality that required 240 voltage. So somewhere in the last however many years they decided either you have something that pumps up your tires or you buy the full Monty. I found one used that was a used Campbell and Hausfield. It has an electric motor which drives a dual belt pulley to the pump. It was a home compressor back in the day and you can plug it into a 120 volt plug. Not to mention its quiet and just chugs along. It has a 30 gallon tank and puts out 11.5 cfm's. My other was loud it screamed and I had to take it outside as no one in the house could stand it while running. So my advice is if yours doesn't work go find an old used one with the pump and the motor separated and the pump is run with a belt and pulley. Now I can leave it inside and go outside and paint and it turns on every now and then. Also get a good water separator for the compressor and another for the end of the gun. That way whats in the compressor doesnt end up on your paint surface. They have what they call an air drier they are on EBAY for a few bucks but they separate the water and dehumidfy the air prior to it going in the gun.

On the question about the primer, any 2k primer will be thick and when you put hardner in it, it will dry hard as a rock. You thin it out with thinner and the wetter you put it on the easier it is to sand. You can sand with 400 for a solid color. Metalic colors require 800 because the metallic will stand up on a 400 sanding mark. There will still be lines but when you clear it they dissappear. I think I covered everything. If you by this way I'd be glad to show you stuff.

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Re: painting the front fender

Post by Magic Wand » Fri Feb 02, 2018 6:27 pm

Hi

Again, thank you very much for very good information about compressors, painting, 2k, sanding and clear coat!

I see - some nasty marks was covered by the decals.

You said you are a 'hobby painter', but I doubt it :-) More like a professional in my opinion! Great patience too.

Ok, I got it about the 'cmf' now. Thanks. Wow, that Campbell and Hausfield machine looks to be a great unit.
(220-240 V 50 Hz is standard in Europe)

But for me the thing is that I keep my SMt in a common garage area, among Many other bikes.
There are 3 smaller work bench's, 2 bike lift's and only small machines like 2 hobby compressor's and a bench grinder. Nothing else. And of course my own tools.

I was thinking of building a 'tent' for paint jobs, but I realize now that it wount work, unfortunatelly. Too many things has to be solved, like ventilation, warmth in the garage (it's really cold in there at winter time) and cover all the other bikes (not realistic).
So I'v decided to contact a guy who is a professional painter at an airport, to ask about the cost to paint front fender, fuel tank, rear side panels, front light plastics and maybe also hand guards.
The rear hugger (RedFox) I will do by myself using gloss black in spray can. It will get dirty in the first wet ride of the year, and I will clean it time after time, which will make the surface to get worn very fast.

I will for sure put up some pictures when my bike is put together during spring time :-)

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Re: painting the front fender

Post by Striff » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:07 pm

Hi guys, sorry didn't read all of this but I'm a spray painter by trade.
If painting plastics, that aren't already painted, you need to remove the release agent first then use a plastic primer.

Warm soapy water with a scotchbrite is good for this, then rinse off.
Plastic primer you can get in a spray can.
Only lightly do this, and don't sand this primer.

If you don't do this, down the track the paint will flake off, I'm sure you have seen bumper bars on cars where the paint is coming off.

Also if the area has / is prone to flexing, then some flex aid in the paint/ clear is a good idea, but usually on motorcycle parts not needed.

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